George Hogg
A2OC Donor
Get a six speed in it, it’ll transform your commute…. You know it makes senseI see that the MYP box close to you has sold Tom, which is good really as it means I don’t have to buy it
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Get a six speed in it, it’ll transform your commute…. You know it makes senseI see that the MYP box close to you has sold Tom, which is good really as it means I don’t have to buy it
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Morning George,Get a six speed in it, it’ll transform your commute…. You know it makes sense
Thanks for the information, whilst on the phone to Vince; he stated 16 hours but this increased time is possibly due to including the removal of the standard gearbox, the modifications between the 2 boxes followed by the installation of the revised gearbox ready to drive away.Vince actually did this mod to an MYP for me for a 51 plate car only to find out that it had the later ABS…. I send an old 5speed to him courtesy of @I.cowie plus the MYP and then the swop took just a couple of hours.
This is brilliant advice and something I'll take into consideration when the time comes. May be a remap could assist in these gaps. It's not that flat where I live and commute. I do visit Moray a few times of year and know that route is far from being flat.Unless you live and drive in a flat part of the country I think you’d be disappointed with a JDD. To me it feels more like a six speed with 5th missing.
Due to costs this option will not be considered, plus I also like the shorted throw pattern of the MYP gearbox.On the Euro tuning 6th gear option, I’ve got one of these but I much prefer the gearchange on the MYP.
Morning David,Tom, @Menno has previously provided this community with the 5 speed solution where a JDD is “too much” in terms of gearing the car up - fit a MZN!
It’s got to be the all-round best 5 speed option to longer gearing - it’d be interesting to hear your thoughts on such a conversion, coming as you do from a six speed car.
Anna’s car is a 2004 Colour Storm, so I never investigated whether the MZN ‘box has the speedo drive (or the provision for one).Does the MZN have the speedo output though?
Morning Ian,Does the MZN have the speedo output though?
There you go Tom @2work - seems like a hearty recommendation and worth investigating re: the speedo take-offHaving driven many A2s with different gearboxes, I’d choose the MZN ‘box if limited to 5 gears.
It’s a halfway house between the standard gearbox and the JDD gearbox; longer enough to reduce noise and fuel consumption, but not so long that it’s a hassle to drive.
The JDD ‘box is, to my mind, a bit too long.
I picked up an MZN ‘box for £140 with only 50,000 miles on the clock. It was fitted into my sister’s A2 when the clutch was changed, so was a very cheap upgrade.
It’s brilliant. Anna would never go back.
The gears aren’t so long that it becomes somewhat laborious when driving in urban environments, but equally the car no longer cries out for a 6th gear when motorway cruising.
Anna’s car is a 2004 Colour Storm, so I never investigated whether the MZN ‘box has the speedo drive (or the provision for one).
My suspicion is that the speedo drive is not fitted to the MZN ‘box, but that the mounting point for the speedo drive is present and simply blanked off.
Cheers,
Tom
Afternoon George,Perhaps you could try a JDD before you decide? If you’re coming up to Moray drop in for a cuppa when you have a minute. A remap would be essential with either option USA I’m sure you know. As above the MNZ might be a better option than a JDD. Have you looked at the post by @Robin_Cox which lists all the boxes and ratios?
Hello George,What would be the cost difference be between an MYP and a 5 speed Tom? Is it that you would do the 5speed yourself but the 6speed needs Vince to do the speedo drive conversion?
To save further research, can you confirm this A2 has the Mk60 or Mk20 ABS unit or can you remember if the MZN gearbox has the speed drive output.The gearbox I fitted was an MZN from a fabia, and in this car it’s really good
This is very kind of you. Trowbridge is a location I certainly intend to visit in the coming months. It’s where PDK was located before it came into my possession, plus work can see me passing that way from time to time.If you find yourself in the Trowbridge area, you are welcome to take the both for a spin
From memory I think Vince did the speedo take off conversIon and the gearbox swap for around £600Hello George,
Whilst I’m still within the investigation stages of a gearbox upgrade I’ve not fully put the math together.
Off the top of my head though:
Gearbox options
£250 can get you a MYP gearbox if you’re willing to wait and pounce on such an opportunity
£200 should get a JDD gearbox
£150 should get a MZN gearbox
£1250 Euro Tuning 6th gear parts
Installation
£1250 would see a MYP, or parts there if, mated to my original standard gearbox
Not sure on the costs involved installing an alternative 5-speed but know someone who can assist.
As much as I’d like to have 6th, the rough calculations above see it as a very expensive idea which I should walk away from; not that price has got in the way of a venture in the past of course.
Right now, for economy and cabin noise the JDD is on top but that could quickly be over taken by the MZN once I’ve conducted further research regards speed output to the instrument cluster, something I’ll hopefully get to later this evening.
It’s interesting that you already have a modified 6-speed gearbox with the speed drive output that turned out to be unnecessary.
I’ll let you know when I’m next heading to Moray.
Kind regards,
Tom
Hello George,
Whilst I’m still within the investigation stages of a gearbox upgrade I’ve not fully put the math together.
Off the top of my head though:
Gearbox options
£250 can get you a MYP gearbox if you’re willing to wait and pounce on such an opportunity
£200 should get a JDD gearbox
£150 should get a MZN gearbox
£1250 Euro Tuning 6th gear parts
Installation
£1250 would see a MYP, or parts there if, mated to my original standard gearbox
Not sure on the costs involved installing an alternative 5-speed but know someone who can assist.
As much as I’d like to have 6th, the rough calculations above see it as a very expensive idea which I should walk away from; not that price has got in the way of a venture in the past of course.
Right now, for economy and cabin noise the JDD is on top but that could quickly be over taken by the MZN once I’ve conducted further research regards speed output to the instrument cluster, something I’ll hopefully get to later this evening.
It’s interesting that you already have a modified 6-speed gearbox with the speed drive output that turned out to be unnecessary.
I’ll let you know when I’m next heading to Moray.
Kind regards,
Tom
It’s great that you can compare the MYP and MZN, I totally agree with you on 6th in the MYP on a mapped 75, it’s best at 70mph plus when it will tackle most hills. Great for long drivesI’ll chip in here as we have 3 tdi 75s, all 3 now mapped, 2 have AMF engines and one BHC.
The first one ‘ORC’ runs the standard gearbox, so nothing to report on that, the second is my SE that I had big problems with noise and vibration which resulted in me changing wheel bearings, gearbox and a tyre ( I did a thread on this one) it’s still ongoing, but the gearbox swap was a win! The gearbox I fitted was an MZN from a fabia, and in this car it’s really good. The ratios I think are really nicely spaced, and 5th gives nice cruising and power to accelerate in 5th. 70mph it sits around 2200rpm. Unless you live with lots of hills I’d say it’s perfect.
The 3rd car, ‘Chad’ ( which was the spares or repair purchase) now has the MYP box which I fitted at Christmas, yes it’s a nice box, it’s got a shorter shift on the stick etc. But to me it’s basically the same as ’ORC’ to drive but with the added surprise of 6th gear. 6th is great, it’s a very tall gear, it’s good on the flat, and good at 70mph plus, but if you’re doing 65 and you hit a hill on the motorway and you want to accelerate, it won’t.
The MZN gearbox on the other hand, at 65 you are just at the bottom end of the turbo coming in, and it’ll still pull nicely without sounding too busy.
I’m commuting to wales weekly doing around 400 a week and have been using all 3 cars, my favourite? For gimmick and boast factor, I’d say MYP, but for the money and drivability, I’d go MZN .
If you find yourself in the Trowbridge area, you are welcome to take the both for a spin
Just for clarification: it was assumed that this MYP gearbox was going to be installed in a car with the MK20 ABS unit, hence the work on the gearbox was done. However, the car actually had an MK60 ABS unit, hence why the installation of the speedo drive turned out to be unnecessary.It’s interesting that you already have a modified 6-speed gearbox with the speed drive output that turned out to be unnecessary.
That’s right, the assumption was that as it was a 51 plate that it would be an early ABS but it was probably around the time that they changed. Vince said it took minimal time to swop the the speedo drive so it was no big deal. If anyone goes this way with an early box the most economical way is to send an old style box and the MYP or whatever and he’ll fit that in between other jobs, then the car is on the (expensive) ramp for the least time.Just for clarification: it was assumed that this MYP gearbox was going to be installed in a car with the MK20 ABS unit, hence the work on the gearbox was done. However, the car actually had an MK60 ABS unit, hence why the installation of the speedo drive turned out to be unnecessary.
Cheers,
Tom