1.4 Engine mount adaptor new idea

[CrispyEdd]

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This group has a nice image of some charming Romania who's made a load of adaptors for engine mounting. For petrol cars to use a fabia mount.

Maybe someone here can copy it?

 

[Simon_Blackburn]

This is not difficult technology but the guy is very clever, and generous to share it. I have taken his photo and put it into my PDF editor, which is not difficult technology either. Once I get my replacement second hand engine mount, I'll order the FEBI one (if someone can give me a part number) and match the bits together - increasing and decreasing the size of the printed image until the holes on the paper line up with the parts.

The original part number for the engine mounts is

8Z0199167AS​

This covers engine codes AUA BBY and BAD - so both 1.4s and the 1.6. If anyone has any diesel knowledge then it would be good to know.

I'll then make a prototype in light gauge steel or aluminium and get someone who can produce small batches to make it in 5mm steel. Ideally I'd like to make a batch of 30 in the hope of selling half in the first couple of months. I'm not looking to make megabucks but hopefully cover costs and risk.

If I get there, who's interested?

 

[CrispyEdd]

Cool, you want the febi part no for the new fabia 1.4 engine mount?

 

[Simon_Blackburn]

I'm guessing so, if that's what people use. I think that must be right - if the fabia mounts differ between petrol and diesel then one would adjust the A2 spec acccordingly?

This is what I pulled up on Autodoc: Febi engine mount

 

[rotifer II]

The Polo BBY engine I bought came with a free hydromount in reasonable condition throughout.

If someone would like it so as to test the plate design they are welcome to it, all I ask in return is for an A2oc club donation.



I also have the bridge

 

[Simon_Blackburn]

The Polo BBY engine I bought came with a free hydromount in reasonable condition throughout.

If someone would like it so as to test the plate design they are welcome to it, all I ask in return is for an A2oc club donation.

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I also have the bridge

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Thanks ever so much for offering that Rotifer. May I take you up on that please? I'll DM you my address.

In the meantime I have received a good secondhand engine A2 engine mount, so will fit that to the car and keep the broken one aside.

I have been in touch with the owner of G19 Engineering in my community in south-east Suffolk (http://g19engineering.com/). have given him the pattern for the part. We have agreed that when I have your mount, I'll send him both and he will make a test piece in plastic for approval.

I understand that he has machinery that will laser cut and zinc plate it and will keep the CAD file on his system. The cost is in the tens of pounds per unit.

I am not very wealthy at the moment so if we can arrange it so that 5% of the income from each unit sold goes to the club then that would be good. I'll cover your postage straight up and as far as I'm concerned the unit will remain your property and I won't dispose of it.

Sound like a plan?

 

[rotifer II]

Hello Simon,

Good plan.
Maybe we could reach a compromise?

I woukd like to cover the postage and that can be the amount you dontate to A2OC?
The 5% of sales is a good idea that can be revisted in the future?
You keep the engine mount and if you don't need it after you have finished you're designs then offer it for free to another A2OC owner?

What do you think?



EDIT
Thank you for the background info on manufacturing the adapter plate.

 

[rotifer II]

Posted First Class 28/02/25 1317hours, should be with you soon.

 

[mhayward]

I really need to change my engine mount, and am just discovering that it's not a simple part to find... So knowing that there will soon be a solution to this problem this makes me very happy!

 

[Simon_Blackburn]

I will soon have the orginal and the polo parts which together with the image means I can get the bloke onto it next week. I am going to hazard that the plate will work for all A2s but you will need to

 

[Simon_Blackburn]

Right - after an evening of study (notes attached) I think I've worked some things out:

1. According to manufacturer FEBI, The mounts which they make for the Fabias in petrol and diesel are cross-compatible with the Polo IV (Code 9N). So when you read that someone has adapted a Polo mount (or someone offers you one for sale) I think we can be confident that the hole and base plate configuration is the same as the Fabia mount.
2. The Audi part number (8Z0 199 167 AS) for the engine mount is the same for all petrol engines (with thanks to Andy Clayton for sending me a used one).
3. The Audi part number (8Z0 199 212 J) for the engine mount is common to diesel engines BHC (later 75hp) and ATL (TDI90).
4. The earlier AMF diesel has a different Audi part number (8Z0 199 216B) for the engine mount but I understand that the head is the same as the later BHC. So if you buy the Febi diesel mount and my adaptor, you will need to source the later plate that joins the top of the rubber mount to the engine-side mounting.
5. Febi appear to make two relevant mounts:

a) Part Nº 23880 (Petrol); and​

b) Part Nº 23882 (Diesel)​

In an ideal world, you would order the relevant Febi part (from them or Autodoc etc.) and the adapter plate (including bolts) from me and just mate engine to mount, discarding the metalwork that Febi show on top of the mount in their photos.

I have no commercial interest in Febi, but I've found their parts to be well made and correctly specified. With so many other variables in this exercise, I'm sticking to the Febi catalogue (but there are other parts manufacturers).

AMF (early diesel) owners: I think it's highly likely you'll need to get some used metalwork from a later diesel to join the top of the rubber mount to the engine.

.More to come but it makes sense that the hydraulic mounts are differently engineered for Petrols and diesels - and useful to know that (despite the thead here the FSI being heavier than the 1.4 Petrols) Audi thought they could cope with the same mount.

And I thought legal practice was tricky and time consuming: I'm glad I don't work in the car parts industry. But if we end up with a solution whereby any A2 owner can buy a £60 brand new engine mount and a standard adaptor plate from me or the engineering shop and get on the road again, I'm prepared to work for it.