19559 - Motor for Intake Manifold (V157)

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Alcamo

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Hi, my 1.4tdi 75, 135k had been performing faultlessly until on a long run today the car 'stuttered' almost imperceptibly and the EML came on. The car continued to run well and after checking the obvious and being miles from home, I decided to risk driving straight to my local garage. The scan shows P2180 and the code did clear intermittently but I fear is now here to stay. The mechanic says that the throttle actuator / valve is on its way and that driving the car as is will result in the EGR valve giving out. Not good news. Can anyone tell me the best course of action? Is it home mechanic territory? I like the car and it is in reasonable condition so am prepared to pay a fair cost to repair - what am I facing? Can I continue to drive as it is until I decide to repair and if so is it likely to result in more damage or leave me stranded? Also, any recommended specialists in Oxford area?

All help gratefully appreciated.
 
You could try getting a can of specialist EGR cleaner and spraying that into the EGR, also worth checking the air mass sensor is clean working and connected.
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Hi,

I have to take an interest being local to you, Eynsham, but can only offer moral support as I know nothing about diesels having owned petrol cars all my life, (and not much about petrol engines!).

The only help I can suggest that I have full VCDS and if you pop over I can scan your car and you can the post the full VCDS output on here and possibly it may prompt more knowledgable members to come forward to offer advice. PM if interested.

The question of a garage in the Oxford area with some familiarity with the the A2 has been raised several times but to no avail. I use a self-employed experienced mechanic but unfortunately he is away on holiday in Turkey for two weeks so no immediate help to you - more information here.

Servicing and repairs

Services, mentaince and repairs around Oxford area
www.a2oc.net

Andy
 
Alcamo said:
Hi, my 1.4tdi 75, 135k had been performing faultlessly until on a long run today the car 'stuttered' almost imperceptibly and the EML came on. The car continued to run well and after checking the obvious and being miles from home, I decided to risk driving straight to my local garage. The scan shows P2180 and the code did clear intermittently but I fear is now here to stay. The mechanic says that the throttle actuator / valve is on its way and that driving the car as is will result in the EGR valve giving out. Not good news. Can anyone tell me the best course of action? Is it home mechanic territory? I like the car and it is in reasonable condition so am prepared to pay a fair cost to repair - what am I facing? Can I continue to drive as it is until I decide to repair and if so is it likely to result in more damage or leave me stranded? Also, any recommended specialists in Oxford area?

All help gratefully appreciated.
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Which Engine do you have AMF, BHC or ATL
if the AMF then you have been told a load of crap as the egr can be disconnected simply be removing the vacuum pipe to the top of the EGR
This will not harm the engine and actually do it some good
I looked up the code and it makes little to no sense for a tdi
did the garage use a generic code scanner ?
try to get a scan using VCDS and report back the code

Cheers,
Paul
 
As noted already, code makes no sense for a TDI. Best get a proper scan done, it will be much easier to help with this information.
 
Hi All, Thank you for taking the time to reply - my car has the BHC engine and noted that the generic scan code is of little use. Andrew, I will message you and arrange to get a VCDS scan. In the meantime I've added some PT Powatec to the fuel in the vain hope that it will clean some induction components......
 
Hi All, Thanks to Andrew I have now had the car scanned using the VCDS equipment. Details below. Is there a 'fix' for the ASV or is it a question of replacing the unit? If replacement, is around £200 the best I'll get? All replies gratefully received.

www.Ross-Tech.com
VIN: WAUZZZ8Z94N018071 License Plate: ALCAMO
Chassis Type: 8Z (8Z - Audi A2 (2000 > 2005))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 18 37 45 46 56 57 75 76 77

VIN: WAUZZZ8Z94N018071
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Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No: 045 906 019 BA
Component: 1,4l R3 EDC 0000SG 5265
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 02138
VCID: 55A1D124AF205CE9EA-4AE8
WAUZZZ8Z94N018071 AUZ7Z0C2513467

1 Fault Found:
19559 - Motor for Intake Manifold Flap (V157)
P3103 - 35-10 - Malfunction - Intermittent
Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0
 
Rosstech Wiki says this :

Possible Solutions
Check Fuse(s)
Check Wiring and/or Connector(s) from/to Motor for Intake Manifold Flap (V157)
Check/Replace Motor for Intake Manifold Flap (V157)

Special Notes
The Intake Manifold Flap (V157) has a Function in the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and in shutting off the (Diesel) Engine.

Good place to start. Mac.
 
Boungiorno,

Pleased to meet you and your A2 Cobalt Blue TDI yesterday. The car is not in bad nick with not that a high mileage for a TDI, pity about the heavy rain.

A simple idea to begin with, I suggest you edit the thread title (opening post) and remove the spurious 'P2180' reference and replace with what you now know the fault to be, viz, '19559 - Motor for Intake Manifold (V157)', it then might make sense to members and elicit more advice.

Out of interest I read a thread on your fault that is really informative, apologies if you have found this already

Intake manifold flap V157

Hi I've started to have my 1.4 diesel serviced and repaired by Welsh VW in Barry. They tell me that I've got fault P3103 indicating the need to replace the motorised intake manifold flap V157. The part from Audi is £350+ but I understand that an OEM or clone can be bought for less. Does...
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It does underline you need to verify your engine code, it is above the paint code I showed you on the white sticker in the boot, also on the DVLA V5 you will have and also coded on the the engine block. Looking at your VIN number your build year is year starting August 2004 (4 before the N if I have this right) and I think that means your engine will be BHC (somebody verify as I little familiarity with diesels) but double check. I think the reference to 'Motor' confirms it.

Again lack of familiarity with diesel engines I would not like to try and find the part number on 7zap. ANYBODY????

You could ask @A2Steve or @Sarge or someone else to help out with a used part, it will fix the fault at minimum cost!

If you intend to keep the car I question the wisdom of a fitting a worn part (with how much life left?), I would bite the bullet and buy new.

Said enough, but always good to hear of the final resolution with costs.

Andy

Edit. Just thought as the error is intermittant maybe worth checking the wire to this motor for obvious sign of degradation and check the connector pins for corrosion.

Also noticed a symptom on the Ross-Tech list is the abrupt engine cut off you find unsettling!
 
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@Andrew , I applaud you for providing @Alcamo with a full VCDS scan which will prove far more helpful. I did notice that the scan has produced a Redir Fail! error. Again not criticising only asking as you have less knowledge regarding the diesels if you have the correct file ".lbl" for the car?

To explain a little more have a look at this ( it is for an A4 ) but has the same redir fail error. Really not sure if it makes much difference to the scan but if the .lbl file is missing that may itself produce an error?.

Redirect Fail!

I'm working on a 2003 A4 1.8 AMB and getting the Redir Fail! for the engine controller. I believe the car is completely stock so this doesn't make any sense to me. Pretty sure the label file that should be loading is 06B-909-518-AMB.lbl. I did verify that this file is present in the label...
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audifan said:
@Andrew , I applaud you for providing @Alcamo with a full VCDS scan which will prove far more helpful. I did notice that the scan has produced a Redir Fail! error. Again not criticising only asking as you have less knowledge regarding the diesels if you have the correct file ".lbl" for the car?

To explain a little more have a look at this ( it is for an A4 ) but has the same redir fail error. Really not sure if it makes much difference to the scan but if the .lbl file is missing that may itself produce an error?.

Redirect Fail!

I'm working on a 2003 A4 1.8 AMB and getting the Redir Fail! for the engine controller. I believe the car is completely stock so this doesn't make any sense to me. Pretty sure the label file that should be loading is 06B-909-518-AMB.lbl. I did verify that this file is present in the label...
forums.ross-tech.com
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Rather than swerving the thread I will open a new thread shortly, it would be good to sort this out. - Andy
 
Hi, comments noted. The car is definitely the BHC variant. Does this mean the valve(s) can be separated? The scan reset did lose the EML but it came on again today. The car drives well, no flat spots just the annoying shudder when switching off. Not sure what if any effect this has had on mpg. My journeys are varied but I have to say mostly short so not getting the best from the diesel. All advice given to date gratefully received, further updates welcome. I would be interested to know if the repair / replacement is reasonably straightforward. I have limited facilities but have some mechanical knowledge.
 
Tried to edit title - failed miserably. Can anyone tell me how to do it or should I start a new thread?
 
I think the shudder on switch off is because the flap is not closing, so not choking the air supply, as it should, so engine is not stopping correctly. Not into diesels, but shuddering is not going to do any good long term. Lots of info available, including on here, to help investigate the motor. Seems oil gets inside. First off, clean the connector, worth a try I'd think. Good luck. Mac.
 
Alcamo said:
Tried to edit title - failed miserably. Can anyone tell me how to do it or should I start a new thread?
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Just go to the first post in your (this) thread and click 'Edit' in the footer. You will see the thread title in its own box above the first post. Click into it, change and then 'Save'.

Andy
 
Title now changed. Will check fuse and wiring as a start and then investigate how to remove and clean up components. Any pointers welcome.
 
The flap (ASV) is operated by an electric motor (BHC and ATL), and wil transfer its power to the flap by a gear. On those gear wheels, which are plastic/composite ones, it can occur that a couple of teeth are worn or broken off. This can give that the flap is not in fully open position or wil not fully close and can give a fault trigger.

Whatever you do; don't buy a cheap aftermarket no brand ASV........... been there, done that, failed complete!


Link here to the dutch Audi A2 site, with some pictures of failing gears:

Dagboek van een Kristallblauwe ATL. - Pagina 6 - Audi A2 forum

www.audi-a2.nl www.audi-a2.nl
 
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