A2 1.6 fsi or Mercedes A160 Avantgarde

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New baby forces me to buy a 2nd car and i don't know which one to buy. I drove the Merc today and it seemed pretty solid and nippy and a good spec. Will, hopefully, be driving the A2 on Saturday.

reading this forum there seems to be quite a bit of negativity towards the FSI?

also, I would appreciate if anyone could let me know of any likely discounts on the A2.

cheers
 
Hope I can be of some help!
I bought the Aclass 160 2 years ago the Elegence spec it was a lovely motor both well built and reliable. The reason for selling and purchasing the A2 was mainly because the novelty had worn off with the merc, and everywhere I drove seemed to be following another Aclass!

Both cars have excellent qualities to the build, although some of the Audi refinements, like the built in stereo/speakers and climate control are superior.

The handling of the A2 is better, on corners the heavier and taller Merc seemed to feel as if it was pulling to the side.

I've opted for the sports pack on my A2 this offers quattro tuned lowered suspension, 17" alloys, sport seats etc, therefore looks wise it's personal preference, the Aclass avangarde offers other extras, although the A2 opensky is again superior to the Mercedes Hole in the roof!

Engine wise, which is most probably the main issue which you're concerned with, both cars are completely different. The 1.6fsi needs to be driven more intelligently, in a normal drive the car drives as expected smooth, but if you need speed you'll have to drop down a gear and kick in the higher revs and the car seems to change personality, the car is lighter than the Aclass and with the fsi technology return much higher mpg than the A class. The Aclass is heavier but has one driving personality which is reasonable in speeds etc. Audi's gearbox is tighter and again more refined. It is important to use the correct petrol with the FSI if not the performance does suffer!

I suppose now as an A2 driver and a previous Aclass owner I will be bias to the Audi but both are excellent vehicles, and I'm sure that others on the site will give you a lot if information on the A2 of great value, although you will hear about a lot of problems etc, don't let this put you off, if there is an Aclass forum I'm sure the read would be equivalent!

I once test drove the Aclass 1.9injection, and if you're after performance and not a balance of and mpg this car had great performance, I think it was an automatic as well with 2 driving options, normal and sport!

Although to conclude I'd say it's down to price on both cars, I'm unsure as to what the best deal on the Aclass is but I think the A2 is cheaper therefore savings in the region of 2k should sway anyone towards the A2!

hope this helps


Auto express review
If there's one thing Audi's A2 has always lacked, it's a bit of poke under the bonnet. It might be light in weight thanks to the aluminium body, but the 1.4-litre engines have never made it quick. Yet wouldn't better performance mean a heavier thirst and increased CO2 tax? Not with the new 1.6-litre FSI direct-injection petrol-powered version, which offers pace and running costs to send city slicker rivals packing.

The FSI emits 142g/km of CO2 - two less than the 1.4-litre A2 - placing it in the lowest 15 per cent company car tax bracket for the next three years. And the savings don't end there. The FSI will travel further on each gallon, returning a diesel-rivalling 48mpg. So can the car really offer performance to match its penny-pinching economy?

Getting up to speed is surprisingly easy, but you need to keep the engine spinning up to the higher end of its rev range to appreciate its 110bhp. This peak power is produced at a heady 5,800rpm, and the maximum torque doesn't kick in until 4,500rpm, meaning the Audi can feel gutless at lower engine speeds. It's because the FSI system has two modes of operation, and the excellent fuel economy figures result from ultra-efficient combustion when cruising at low revs. But press on and the unit's thirst increases dramatically - as does the gruff engine note. Contrary to early reports, though, the FSI can run on regular unleaded petrol, although ultra-low sulphur fuel is preferred.

If economy is not your primary concern, however, the direct-injection system helps the lightweight Audi hit 60mph from standstill in a highly respectable 9.7 seconds - that's 0.8 seconds quicker than a 2.0-litre VW Golf GTI! And with the Sport version's 17-inch wheels, the A2 even looks the part, although the ride is not as impressive as it's even firmer than that of a standard model. Initial outlay is also high, with FSI prices being £750 more than those of the smaller petrol version. Sitting between the 1.4-litre petrol and diesel models in the line-up, the newcomer is available in base spec for £13,895, SE trim for £14,395 and Sport specification for £14,895.

That extra outlay brings great economy and sprightly performance. With the more expensive oil-burner subject to a three per cent diesel tax penalty, it will be difficult for company car buyers to find a more frugal package. Chris Thorp
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A2 1.6fsi sport climate cd amulet red
 
I've arranged test drive on Saturday at Executive Audi in St. Albans.

will let you know how it goes

cheers
 
I went the other way.

For me the A2 leads on handling, style and looks, perceived quality etc but lacks the reliability I needed.

I prefer the Merc for its packaging and interior space, equipment, ride and reliability.

I found that I got much more for my money in the Merc (170CDi LWB Elegance).

I suspect that a back to back test drive will lead you to liking the A2 more. I would personally recommend the Elegance A Class over the Avantgarde, slightly different but better spec (including Aircon as standard).
 
Hi Mike and Welcome.

Well all I can say is the best is yet to come on Saturday.

3 months ago I was in your position and I drove both cars back to back. And the wife did exactly the same thing.

We both felt that the A2 was more refined, quieter, quicker :D and just better in overall finish. Lot's of options over the Mercedes made it a easy choice for us.

Plus every Audi Dealer I visited they were taking in old Mercedes against new A2's.

Also the fact that a lot of ex-company Mercedes cars are now on the market which has some what flooded the availability of used Mercedes.

Don't get me wrong as I have worked for Mercedes in the past and I was sure I was going to buy one, but it just didn't have it for me.

I wish you the best of luck in your choice.

2001 1.4 TDI SE, Crystal Blue, Open Sky, Climate Control, El.Rear Windows 16" six spoke alloys, Alpine CD/MP3 & Genesis Components & Amps, Focal Sub all custom fitted.
 
You may also want to consider the fact that the A2 is a much newer car than the A Class and as has been mentioned, the A Class has flooded the market second hand due to the likes of easyrentacar. So you will get a newer more exclusive car with the A2.

However, if you want to buy used, I think the A Class makes more sense - you will get more for your money.

I drove both back to back as well - and a couple of major differences you will notice with the A2 are the dash (as good as any Audi's - you cannot say that for the A Class - it is a mess compared to the C or E Class) and the comfort in the rear seats provided by the A2s split floor (probably more leg room than any small car ever built). But I did like the A Class' LWB version.

Let us know which way you go.
 
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and the comfort in the rear seats provided by the A2s split floor (probably more leg room than any small car ever built). But I did like the A Class' LWB version.

Let us know which way you go.

I'm afraid the LWB version is second to none, A2 included. The rear seats are excellent and you can virtually extend your legs all the way.
 
I looked at the A-class when I was looking to buy my A2. Firstly the dealer was very snooty and couldn't really be bothered to help us. So that put us off straight away. And the cars were dirty inside and out-these were the ones up for sale-there were non in the showroom!.

Anyway, sat in a couple. Room was fine, but I didn't like the feel-very Ford looking in the quality-which isn't that bad these days, but not what you want in a Merc.

I read that Mercedes has been cutting down on the quality of interiors as a way to save money in years gone by when things were tight money-wise. It's only with the new E-class and very latest S-class (yes, they have revised the new S-clas already) has the quality gone back to the good old days.

Oh well, yous pays yer money a yous takes yer choice!. Good luck.

But whatever you choose it better be an A2 or your not coming to the social!. And you will be banned from Tesco's for life (unless you opt for a Golf instead!):D:D:D

Steve - 2003 1.4SE petrol, Silver, black/black interior
 
on looks the A2 wins for me - need to convince the wife.....
performance and economy, on paper, also look fantastic.
am a bit concerned about depreciation - which is surprising for sucha new car.
although i think the Merc is starting to feel it as well.

roll on test drive tomorrow.
 
In pursuing Chris’s point I might add I always felt embarrassed if several adults were travelling in the rear of my A2, simply because I felt it was so uncomfortably. The angle of the back cushion is part of the main problem, and why this has never been improved upon is beyond me. The scope exists for some improvement, but its never happened.

Regards
John Disdale
 
Our previous car was an A class to but as everybody arround here in teh Netherlands seem to have an A class we went for the Audi we have not regretted it ever since.
It is a terrefic little car.:)

Jeff Huisman
2000 A2 petrol with all thinkeble options :)
 
Comparing the Aclass and the A2, concerning the comfort on the rear seats, I would say the A2 wins when the Aclass isn't a LWB.
When I testdrive a car, I always try "to sit behind myself". I do this because my children have the same length as I have, and they must be able to sit comfortable on the rear seats.
When I tried the Aclass, the space in the back was not big enough, not for the legs and not for the head. In the A2 it was.

Apart from that, one of my passengers said to me last week the rear seats were very comfortable, he had lots of space and liked being a passenger in (the back of) my car. Comfort seems to be very personal too.

JanF

2001 1.4 Petrol Exclusive
Cobalt Blue Metallic
 
Personally I dont compare the A Class to the A2. I think the A2 is almost uncomparable to anything on the road today.

Kaine
 
Kaine,

I agree with the spirit that the A2 is somewhat unique in its visual styling, but most things in life can be compared to something else. Indeed if we say the brakes and headlights on the A2 are great, then by default the statement is automatically made in comparing it with another car or other cars. Moreover without making any comparison (through knowledge) the brakes by example could be crap.

When comparing cars there has to be some sort of sensible datum, otherwise we might feel at liberty to say the brakes on the A2 are in fact crap relative to an Aston Martin, or that the A2’s steering is very poor in comparison to a 911. To this degree then I reckon its fair game to compare the A2 with any other small 5 door family car that is moderately economical to run, and well built – especially if its in the same financial bracket regarding purchase price.

Regards
John Disdale
 
JD,

Very fair comment. To be honest, I now tend to look at the relative exclusivity factor as the last option. In my personal opinion, for the A2, it is in a class of its own.

Kaine
 
In terms of rarity I said moons ago that to purchase a car in such a category often involved lashing out huge sums of money – but not so of course with the A2.
 
A French and a German comparitive car test of the ORIGINAL A160 and petrol A2 both criticised the A160 for having very very high gearing in top gear, and very poor pulling power (torque) from the engine. This meant that if you put the car into top gear at, say 45 mph. it would accelerate only slowly, and on hills you had to change down much more than in the Audi. Now the A160 engine has increased torque.

Suggest you find out whether the A160 has enough pulling power for you under these circumstances. Under no circumstances believe anything any dealer says unless it is in writing and signed: ask John Disdale...



Chivers ':)'
'02 A2 1.4TDi SE
 
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