Advice - dash cam that records front and rear

I'd like some advice please. I contacted @timmus and he suggested I asked for recommendations on a dash cam to be fitted near the rear view mirror that can record through two lenses both forwards and the rear. I'll be asking for it to be fitted on his visit to Leighton Buzzard. so need to make the purchase over the next week, together with whatever else needed to wire it in. I'd really prefer something that permanently stays in place, rather than through a windscreen sucker that falls off when the weather warms or cools the glass! Budget - not too expensive, technology goes out of date quickly and I drive less than 2,500 miles a year in the A2 SE (2002). What's been fitted recently by others?
 
No recommendations but the Auto Express reviews would be a good starting point.
Seems to be very few combined front / rear cameras with linked separate units becoming more popular

Cheers Spike
 
I've always fitted Blackvue to all my vehicles over the years and saved what would of been 50/50 with ins co but with footage went in my favour
 
Techmoan also used to be a good site for camera reviews. Think he might have scaled them back in favour of retro tech videos in the last couple of years though.

I had a dual unit for several years in a previous car. The model is way to old to recommend now if you could even find one, but I can recommend the method of mounting to the windscreen with 3M VHB tape. It's permanent until you actually want it to come off at end of life, so fit and forget.

The fun bit is going to be fitting the rear unit, it will most likely need to be at the back of the headlining rather than on the hatch, which leaves not a lot to attach to. Since they're quite light, you may end up looking at sticky Velcro for that job.
 
Does Paul @depronman not print 3d rear camera mounts?

I do but intended for reversing cameras really
It attaches to the top of the hatch back oblong interior trim panel and therefore means that the cable must be routed to it ideally through the rubber tube that feeds all other cables to the tale gate, this in itself is a challenge and you have no chance if the cable as any type of bulky connector on it


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No recommendations but the Auto Express reviews would be a good starting point.
Seems to be very few combined front / rear cameras with linked separate units becoming more popular

Cheers Spike
Hi Spike, many thanks for the link, it was very useful bedtime reading. Reading some of the reviews is always confusing, many rate products high but then others rate low. I'll see what A2 owners suggest on here and order in time for fitting. I love new tech, just confused with choices so normally ask a teenager!
 
I've always fitted Blackvue to all my vehicles over the years and saved what would of been 50/50 with ins co but with footage went in my favour
Great advice, the reports of cash-for-crash are doing the rounds again which triggered my thoughts to get one fitted.
 
Techmoan also used to be a good site for camera reviews. Think he might have scaled them back in favour of retro tech videos in the last couple of years though.

I had a dual unit for several years in a previous car. The model is way to old to recommend now if you could even find one, but I can recommend the method of mounting to the windscreen with 3M VHB tape. It's permanent until you actually want it to come off at end of life, so fit and forget.

The fun bit is going to be fitting the rear unit, it will most likely need to be at the back of the headlining rather than on the hatch, which leaves not a lot to attach to. Since they're quite light, you may end up looking at sticky Velcro for that job.
Exactly what Timmus advised, "more elegant" in a single unit that faces front and rear rather than have to wire a separate cam to to the back of the A2.
 
To get a useful view of what's going on behind you, a dash cam must be fitted to the rear hatch. A dash cam has a very wide angle lens, in order to record a panoramic scene. A rear facing dash cam, fitted to the front screen would record the car's interior, and passengers etc, with the view through the rear screen comprising a very small part.
Separate cameras are the only solution imo.
Mac.
 
I got a dash cam that slipped over the rear view mirror and has a front facing camera there.

The rear view is provided by a standard reversing camera which I’ve just stuck in the rear seat headrest centre (friction fit) and run the cable down the side of the car under the trim strips.

It’s not super elegant but it works. I have plans to try and fit the reversing camera inside a spare rear light cluster to see if that can avoid having to wire into the rear hatch as Paul mentions.

The Velcro on headlining for a rear camera is sounding pretty good too though...


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To get a useful view of what's going on behind you, a dash cam must be fitted to the rear hatch. A dash cam has a very wide angle lens, in order to record a panoramic scene. A rear facing dash cam, fitted to the front screen would record the car's interior, and passengers etc, with the view through the rear screen comprising a very small part.
Separate cameras are the only solution imo.
Mac.

I've fitted countless dashcam systems for fellow A2 owners, though the camera itself has always been supplied by the owner of the car. As such, I have little familiarity with the products that are available.

Some of the cameras that I've installed have had two lenses; one pointing forwards and one pointing backwards. The rear-facing camera had a narrower field of view, such that it mostly recorded what was happening through the rear windscreen rather than what was happening in the interior. The designers of the system hadn't simply used the same lens for the rear-facing camera as they had for the front-facing camera, as otherwise it would've mostly recorded the happenings on the back seats.

By mounting a single camera on the windscreen, near the rear-view mirror, the physical and electrical installation is kept simple and elegant. Whilst a split two-camera system would be ideal, this presents two difficulties; you either need to run additional wiring into the tailgate, which is a huge undertaking, or you have to mount the camera towards the back of the headlining, where there's nothing especially solid.

Whilst I can conceive of many different ways of mounting a rear-view camera, the end result needs to be elegant and unobtrusive. A solution that requires days of my time makes it financially unfeasible. Whilst it's possible for self-installers to put up with the nuisances caused by their choices, I don't have the luxury of being able to make those decisions on behalf of others. As a self-confessed perfectionist, I can't put my name to something that's a bit of a bodge. The final solution cannot mean that cables have to be rerouted to take the rear seats out, or that the rear-facing camera blocks the view through the rear-view mirror, or that the rear-facing camera gets knocked when items are loaded into the boot, or that the use of the rear interior light is obstructed by the rear-facing camera, or that wires can be seen/caught. This is the fundamental problem with aftermarket stuff; what is acceptable to one person is sacrilege to another.

With the above in mind, which products can the wider community recommend, please?

Cheers,

Tom
 
I have two Aukey DR01 dash cans, one in the A2, the other in the TT. Around £50 from Amazon, when I got them a couple of years ago, but now only on ebay, similar price. Work well, no complaints.
The amount of work required to get an aesthetically pleasing installation on the rear hatch is daunting, (as @timmus says) and not for me.
If aesthetics is not your number one priority, I'd fit the Aukey DR1 to the rear screen. But, then, I'd need a rear screen wash'n'wipe ...
How about an external camera, with it's own little wiper, oh, and heated lens, for cold mornings ...
Mac.
 
I have a Blackvue front and rear with a parking battery in the Macan. The rear camera is one single small wire that can be tucked up into the headlining and the rear camera is simply stuck to the rear window (the cable must go through the rubber grommet in the tailgate hinge). It was easy to fit in two hours total and its great.

Ian
 
I have a Blackvue front and rear with a parking battery in the Macan. The rear camera is one single small wire that can be tucked up into the headlining and the rear camera is simply stuck to the rear window (the cable must go through the rubber grommet in the tailgate hinge). It was easy to fit in two hours total and its great.

Ian
@Kleynie
That sounds interesting, any pics please?
Can you explain the parking battery/function?
Are both operational when ignition is on?
Mac.
 
The battery is wired in line, in my case beneath the Bose amp in the boot. It has an ignition supply from the 12v socket in the boot so when the supply is lost, IE, the ignition is turned off, the battery supports the cameras. The cameras have motion detection and come to life when someone/something is close, so they do not record constantly, thus saving the battery. Due this the park function the battery can last for a long time - I don't know how long but I would guess it would protect the car in an airport carpark, where there is minimal movement, for the duration of a 2 week holiday. It also will not run your car battery flat.

Also, the front camera has the power going to it (via the battery back up), and then the rear camera is fed from the front camera. So the front cam has two wires and the rear has just one

Sorry for the photo quality, the sun is too bright today!

Ian
 

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The battery is wired in line, in my case beneath the Bose amp in the boot. It has an ignition supply from the 12v socket in the boot so when the supply is lost, IE, the ignition is turned off, the battery supports the cameras. The cameras have motion detection and come to life when someone/something is close, so they do not record constantly, thus saving the battery. Due this the park function the battery can last for a long time - I don't know how long but I would guess it would protect the car in an airport carpark, where there is minimal movement, for the duration of a 2 week holiday. It also will not run your car battery flat.

Also, the front camera has the power going to it (via the battery back up), and then the rear camera is fed from the front camera. So the front cam has two wires and the rear has just one

Sorry for the photo quality, the sun is too bright today!

Ian
Thanks, I see it all now!
Mac.
 
Got this one now, although I'm struggling with the rear camera........


It's because the socket/connector is fairly big, at least to big get through the grommet from cabin to hatch. I want it neat and tidy, so choose not to install the rear one (yet...).
 
A huge thanks for the advice and tips on what to do and what not to do. I've made a decision and just picked up a) Nextbase 422GW b) Rear view add on camera for the Nextbase 422GW c) Nextbase Hardwire kit. My reasoning for Nextbase was that it's fairly well established in the current market and though sold at a bit of a premium price on the high street electronic retailers if anything is at fault I'm more likely to get support than a purchase online. There is a Nextbase 222X which is less expensive than my choice, but it's without GPS which I think I ought to have being recorded in case I forget where I've been! The rear view add on plus on the side of the cam, so no need to cable through to the rear hatch. I know it's not an ideal view, but a gamble that I may never need to need the recording of the rear view in high quality. The hardwire kit just gives reassurance to me, I had a cam fitted to my Skoda Fabia and it was an aftermaket kit that needed replacing within the warranty period due to it developing a fault (was fitted by my mechanic, so not my fault!) Though not due to be fitted by Timmus until later this month, I'm already ticking the job off my list and thinking what should I add to Audi Concert II so that I can use bluetooth mobile, what to do about Sat Nav, should I simply rely on my Smartphone's Google Maps, and still to decide on cross climates which would mean I think replacing the SE 16" alloys for a set of 15". Car projects never reach an end...
 
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