AMF misfire

So, to sum up, the new injector loom sorted the rough running?
Not yet, if it road tests as well as it idles then yes that will be my conclusion.
I was expecting it to cough and bang when it started because I cleaned the induction with brake cleaner. Some will have got inside the engine. But no, I jumped a fully charged battery, turned the key; can’t remember it running that quietly, very little vibration too.
 
I think I see what I’m looking at. It has worn through two coatings and is wearing out the white metal? Still very smooth though.
Smooth yes no scoring but very worn out, surprisingly they are electronically coated , the copper is the base layer with 1 or 2 over the top.
 
Smooth yes no scoring but very worn out, surprisingly they are electronically coated , the copper is the base layer with 1 or 2 over the top.
One downside of PD engines. Too much upward pressure on the camshaft. Shell bearings not really up to the job. Probably should be changed with the cambelt.

RAB
 
One downside of PD engines. Too much upward pressure on the camshaft. Shell bearings not really up to the job. Probably should be changed with the cambelt.

RAB
That's a good suggestion. at the next cam belt change Ill check out those shells.
 
One downside of PD engines. Too much upward pressure on the camshaft. Shell bearings not really up to the job. Probably should be changed with the cambelt.

RAB
Hi RAB,
Whilst I was in the head checking for damage following the cam belt failure I went right through & changed all camshaft shell bearings as it’s stripped anyway, fully cleaned intake & exhaust sides , polished valves before relapping in to the head in their respective seats.

Keith
 
Hi RAB,
Whilst I was in the head checking for damage following the cam belt failure I went right through & changed all camshaft shell bearings as it’s stripped anyway, fully cleaned intake & exhaust sides , polished valves before relapping in to the head in their respective seats.

Keith
Yes, mine were down to the copper. If not every cambelt change, certainly every other one.

RAB
 
Been on a reasonably long drive today, no misfiring, pulling strongly for a small 3 pot.

The only thing I have changed is the injector harness. I can't find a fault with the one I removed but my conclusion is it was the cause of my problems.
 
Been on a reasonably long drive today, no misfiring, pulling strongly for a small 3 pot.

The only thing I have changed is the injector harness. I can't find a fault with the one I removed but my conclusion is it was the cause of my problems.
Same thing happened to me, misfire on one cylinder, old harness looked and tested fine, new harness in and all was well again ?
 
Same thing happened to me, misfire on one cylinder, old harness looked and tested fine, new harness in and all was well again ?
I’m keeping the old one and will try to re wire it. It won’t be long before they are NLA
How is your wiring issue going?
 
I’m keeping the old one and will try to re wire it. It won’t be long before they are NLA
How is your wiring issue going?
Thanks for asking Phil, I’ve ordered part 1J0973802 which will take a few days to arrive, I’m just not sure how to attach it to the loom end and a bit scared about breaking it open! I’m in Warrington on Wednesday so will drop by the dealers to see if they have that repair kit you added pictures of to give me a couple of options. Nobody has the sensor end in stock up this way, only to order.

I have a spare injector harness I got from clackers so will be keeping it safe!
 
The misfire is back again after 7 trouble free months. It is not as persistent as before. Now it only occurs when accelerating with my foot flat to the floor, for example when joining a motorway. It's not the injector harness, that's new. I'll get a scan but I don't think that will show anything.
Where to start? Thank you.
 
The misfire is back again after 7 trouble free months. It is not as persistent as before. Now it only occurs when accelerating with my foot flat to the floor, for example when joining a motorway. It's not the injector harness, that's new. I'll get a scan but I don't think that will show anything.
Where to start? Thank you.
The only other occurrence of misfire I encountered on an AMF, was an injector issue. If you can measure the value’s you can then work out if too much or too little fuel is being pushed through. Way beyond my capabilities but a good VW indy should have the equipment? In my case, replacing 1 injector worked for a few months but then the misfire came back. I did not change the harness on that vehicle though.
 
Just as I thought; no fault codes.

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@froggy I'm beginning to suspect an injector service is required. Beyond me how to test them but I looks like I need to learn.
 
Just as I thought; no fault codes.



@froggy I'm beginning to suspect an injector service is required. Beyond me how to test them but I looks like I need to learn.
I got a set of Darwen-diesel-refurbished AMF injectors fitted to my AMF at ~289000 miles a year ago - that along with a new loom and the injectors being set properly on reinstallation had it idling and running like a sewing machine compared to being somewhat uncultured previously (as well as the occasional revving on start up due to the original injectors being worn). Night and day the comparison - I'm definitely a firm proponent of injector refurbs once the car is past a certain mileage.
 
Just as I thought; no fault codes.

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@froggy I'm beginning to suspect an injector service is required. Beyond me how to test them but I looks like I need to learn.
VCDS, Engine Controller, Group 13. Shows injector values. Look for an outlier.
I found this when looking to check out petrol injectors, but there's no equivalent, sadly.
My loss, maybe your gain. Needs licensed VCDS Lite. Worth a look.
Mac
 
Just as I thought; no fault codes.

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@froggy I'm beginning to suspect an injector service is required. Beyond me how to test them but I looks like I need to learn.
I need a handbrake cable fitting, so just messaged my A2 guru and will ask what equipment is needed to test the injector fuelling deviations. My Number 1 injector was initially 2.9 and cylinder 2 was -2.5. After a few minutes all 3 cylinders were within tolerance (I think) between 0.5 and - 0.5. A good bottle of injector cleaner (archoil or similar) and it ran sweet. The loom eventually eradicated all issues for me.
 
VCDS, Engine Controller, Group 13. Shows injector values. Look for an outlier.
I found this when looking to check out petrol injectors, but there's no equivalent, sadly.
My loss, maybe your gain. Needs licensed VCDS Lite. Worth a look.
Mac
Here's a vid :
Mac.
 
I need a handbrake cable fitting, so just messaged my A2 guru and will ask what equipment is needed to test the injector fuelling deviations. My Number 1 injector was initially 2.9 and cylinder 2 was -2.5. After a few minutes all 3 cylinders were within tolerance (I think) between 0.5 and - 0.5. A good bottle of injector cleaner (archoil or similar) and it ran sweet. The loom eventually eradicated all issues for me.
Thank you, your cable will be difficult or easy depending which fuel tank you have. Present it with an almost empty tank; easier to drop the tank if they have to.
 
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