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Just a few days ago, upgraded Skoda Citigo and VW Up Range was introduced; 160 miles range (260km). Orders are taken after summertime with delivery taken place in January.

Note however that VW struggle to get batteries; Audi etron production is halted. Elon Musk must have yet another laugh..
 
Olerype said:
Just a few days ago, upgraded Skoda Citigo and VW Up Range was introduced; 160 miles range (260km). Orders are taken after summertime with delivery taken place in January.
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Not in the UK, at least:

Volkswagen e-up | New 2019 Model | Volkswagen UK

The e-up! Is an all-electric car, perfect for city driving, great for the environment & fun to drive. Embrace the future of motoring. Book a test drive now.
www.volkswagen.co.uk www.volkswagen.co.uk

The reason for the long delivery times is batteries, which is presumably why VW are building their own factory for batteries.

RAB
 
Maybe VW consider that a RHD version is not economic given the possible short lifespan of the model or that we won't be able to afford BEV's after Brexit! Another Brexit "dividend"!

RAB
 
Norway is outside EU; and EV’s has now more than 50% marketshare (Tesla Model 3 set all time high last month with 5300 new regs last month).

So do not worry about Brexit - just do it!
 
Olerype said:
So do not worry about Brexit - just do it!
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Apart from the Little Englanders here, just about the only people outside the UK who think it's a good idea are Trump and Putin - hardly a recommendation! Also Norway invested it's oil income much more wisely than the UK.

RAB
 
Well, more than 50% of you guys voted leave. That result should be treated with the outmost respect. All other alternatives are no-go and a total meltdown of a democracy.

Talk about going offtopic hehe
 
RAB said:
Apart from the Little Englanders here, just about the only people outside the UK who think it's a good idea are Trump and Putin - hardly a recommendation! Also Norway invested it's oil income much more wisely than the UK.

RAB
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Hardly an unbiased opinion, coming from a Scot. And ignoring the fact that 38% of your fellow countrymen also voted to leave the EU. And doesn't Scotland have it's own parliament? Couldn't they have pressed for better investment of fossil fuel reserves?

Completely off topic, so propose a thread closure now.
 
Skipton01 said:
Hardly an unbiased opinion, coming from a Scot.
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Que? You clearly don't know my nationality! Why shouldn't a Scot have an opinion on this, unbiased or not, anyway? In your book, 38% (or was it 37%) beats 62 (or 63)%! Also Scotland and Northern Ireland voted Remain.
 
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If I have mistaken your nationality, then apologies. However, the source for my stated 37% was Wikipedia, which I know is not necessarily infallible, but then if you put such importance in 1%, by your correction above, then you should also acknowledge the 3.78% who voted to leave over those who chose to remain.

I never said that 37/38% beats 62/63%, but 51.89% does beat 48.11%, but clearly you don't think this is the case from post 26. We agree to disagree I'd imagine on our views on remaining a part of the EU (and I make the point here that it's the EU and NOT Europe which the UK voted to leave) - Great Britain did very well before we joined the EEC (which later became the EU), unlike the decade directly after we joined in 1973 and I see no reason to fear leaving the bureaucracy behind now.

However, as this thread has now completely swerved, I would ask for it to be closed again.
 
I was born in Walton-on-Thames to English parents and last time I looked, W-o-T is little south of the Scottish border. RAB are my initials, not my name!

Under the rules of the referendum, if only one person had voted and voted Leave, we would have left, which is absurd, you will surely agree. So at what point between one vote and 37% does the vote become acceptable - a purely arbitrary decision. What should have been demanded was a vote of over 50% of the electorate, in other words a supermajority. Cameron decided that this was not necessary because the referendum was advisory. Under the Venice Convention on referendums, of which the UK is a signatory, the result of the referendum should have been declared void because of overspending and illegal co-operation between different groups. Just like the Aaron Banks £10m, the government is not interested in investigating. Channel 4 proved that he was short of funds at the time and if the money came from outside the UK, the vote would have been illegal.

As for bureaucracy, do you think it won't be replaced by UK bureaucracy? Except of course that the same EU bureaucracy does the same job for 27 countries and so is far more efficient. The money we pay to the EU is about half what we pay in foreign aid - no doubt you would like to stop that as well?

It was you that changed the topic to EV's, not me. If threads were closed every time that they were swerved, there wouldn't be many that were open!

RAB
 
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I see you've taken my apology in good grace.

And as to the result, if less than 50% of the electorate contributed, this doesn't make it a null and void result. When was the last time a general election achieved a greater than 50% turnout? We still have governments though.

Your arguments, although sound to yourself, are nevertheless the petulant grasping of someone on the losing side, or the side of the minority. Please don't conflate voting leave with racism, xenophobia or any other negative trait which the remain voters like to tar their opposition with. This is not the case with me nor the majority of the 17.4 million UK adults who voted leave.

Oh and you may find it interesting to peruse the unbiased facts on turnout, which was well over 50%:

en.wikipedia.org

2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

I shall withdraw from this thread now as there is nothing more to say on the matter which can be anything like constructive.
 
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Please don't conflate voting leave with racism, xenophobia or any other negative trait which the remain voters like to tar their opposition with. This is not the case with me nor the majority of the 17.4 million UK adults who voted leave.
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Where did I do that then? This came pretty close though: "Hardly an unbiased opinion, coming from a Scot." How the hell do you know anything about the 17.4 million? What you can say about them though is that they are very keen to become poorer!

The Scottish parliament came into existence long after most of the oil money was disposed of; the parliament also has no say on oil revenues. No wonder that they will want independence!

A general election is not comparable since it can be reversed in five years or less. The lowest turnout for a general election in recent times was 57.2% in 1917!

But here is the main reason why the referendum result should be annulled:

www.theguardian.com

The great British Brexit robbery: how our democracy was hijacked

A shadowy operation involving big data, billionaire friends of Trump and the disparate forces of the Leave campaign heavily influenced the result of the EU referendum. Is our electoral process still fit for purpose?
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

RAB
 
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Olerype said:
Once you go electric, you would never go back to the stoneage
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As an EV owner and enthusiast and researcher, I do despair about the false EVangelism that goes alongside it. Sadly the reality is we only displace emissions whenever we buy new. Nobody gives a "£$% for those really in the actual stone-age mining our Cobalt or the huge environemntal implications of evaporating deep water supplies in 3rd world countries in the name of our lithium addiction. The vast majority of our batteries are incinerated in our throwaway society. Yes there are some plans to re-use EV packs but even Tesla doesn't use old packs for energy storage - they find it easier to warranty new powerwalls and think V2G is bad for battery health on cars. Upgrade BMW i3 packs are very possible but franchised dealerships would rather sell you a new lease not act in a sustainable manner.

#scrappingiswasteful

Just to build and deliver a new SUV to a UK dealership without it turning a wheel produces as much pollution as running a small petrol hatchback for 60,000 miles. That's for a very basic ICE SUV not and iPace or 2.5 tonnes EV SUV.
 
andrewparkeruk said:
Re: Hybrid. Would you say the same of something like the i3 REX?
(where, as I understand it, the small petrol engine is used solely to recharge the battery)
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REX is far better because it is mostly an EV - unlike the OUTLANDISH PHIB that gets 28mpg real world (148mpg NEDC). Indeed Mitsubishi dealers now refuse PX on Outlander PHEVs older than 3 years due to damaged packs.
 
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ecoangel said:
As an EV owner and enthusiast and researcher, I do despair about the false EVangelism that goes alongside it. Sadly the reality is we only displace emissions whenever we buy new. Nobody gives a "£$% for those really in the actual stone-age mining our Cobalt or the huge environemntal implications of evaporating deep water supplies in 3rd world countries in the name of our lithium addiction. The vast majority of our batteries are incinerated in our throwaway society. Yes there are some plans to re-use EV packs but even Tesla doesn't use old packs for energy storage - they find it easier to warranty new powerwalls and think V2G is bad for battery health on cars. Upgrade BMW i3 packs are very possible but franchised dealerships would rather sell you a new lease not act in a sustainable manner.

#scrappingiswasteful

Just to build and deliver a new SUV to a UK dealership without it turning a wheel produces as much pollution as running a small petrol hatchback for 60,000 miles. That's for a very basic ICE SUV not and iPace or 2.5 tonnes EV SUV.
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False EVangelism?

  1. EVs are far better for environment from a lifecycle perspective
  2. EVs are far better for public health
  3. EVs are far more efficient; a Tesla S uses less energy than a commuter train in terms of energy per passangerkilometer
  4. EVs batteries has in practise zero degradation; just keep SoC in the 20-80% range
  5. EVs batteries today are 50% recycled, but Fortum states now that 80% will be recycled incl all the rare metals
  6. EVs have in principle just 1 rotating part compared to a couple thousand in a ICE
  7. EVs have instant torque and brake regeneration
  8. EVs have zero noise and smell
Btw: it takes 10 times the energy to make aluminium that your A2 is made of, compared to steel. And google eg Bauxite Hydro Brasil for environmental implications.

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Olerype said:
False EVangelism?

  1. EVs are far better for environment from a lifecycle perspective
  2. EVs are far better for public health
  3. EVs are far more efficient; a Tesla S uses less energy than a commuter train in terms of energy per passangerkilometer
  4. EVs batteries has in practise zero degradation; just keep SoC in the 20-80% range
  5. EVs batteries today are 50% recycled, but Fortum states now that 80% will be recycled incl all the rare metals
  6. EVs have in principle just 1 rotating part compared to a couple thousand in a ICE
  7. EVs have instant torque and brake regeneration
  8. EVs have zero noise and smell
Btw: it takes 10 times the energy to make aluminium that your A2 is made of, compared to steel. And google eg Bauxite Hydro Brasil for environmental implications.

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But will it last as long? My A2 turns 15 this year all original,Landrovers are a prime example. Its just another way to Tax you out of a ICE car and into an EV. If they are so Simple why are they not cheap?
 
Skipton01 said:
Hardly an unbiased opinion, coming from a Scot. And ignoring the fact that 38% of your fellow countrymen also voted to leave the EU. And doesn't Scotland have it's own parliament? Couldn't they have pressed for better investment of fossil fuel reserves?

Completely off topic, so propose a thread closure now.
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Its not a devolved part of the Scottish parliament Skipton, still taken by Westminster
 
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