DIS Upgrade

This looks excellent, I’ve just done a DIS upgrade to my A2 and have a mini DIS cluster going spare that would suit one of these boards/displays, then the normal DIS cluster could go into my wife’s A2👍.

There would be no rush and I could do it in slow time with no problems of changing SKC etc but I would have to update the mileage. I’ve contacted them and although there are no specific A2 instructions yet they say the A3 instructions are applicable, of course a non full DIS cluster will need an alternative to the grey connector for a few connections it has inc the stalk connections, but the grounded connections needed could be done internally.

I don’t mind a bit of micro soldering either.

Hmmmm

Andy
For the extra wires I used a 26pin IDC extension cable. Cut it in half, one end to the cluster, the other end to the car. This way the cluster is easily removable.
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Also, the connector fits through the hole on the back of the cluster. The CAN wires has to be twisted. Create a note for yourself which signal goes where for later debugging or adding extra features (like oil pressure).

For my first display mod I purchased another cluster and modified that one. I used VAG commander program and a very cheap VAG KKL cable to clone my original cluster. That program can read and write the whole firmware and it can also modify the mileage.
Note: I had to connect and disconnect the cheap cable (under 10 eur) several time to be able to recognize the program my cluster, but it works.
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Hi Szegi21,

Thanks, yes, I have used Vag commander before in my cluster swaps. Thank you also for your photos earlier in this thread of your mod to a mini DIS Cluster and for showing a full DIS cluster is not needed, in fact there are less backlight leds to remove possibly ?
Its good I now have a spare to play with and non DIS clusters are pretty cheap should I need another. I might take it apart today to have a look, I'm thinking about possibly using vacant pins on the green connector for the stalk connections etc, I'm not bothered about bulb or washer bottle monitoring and there might just be enough.
 
Hi Szegi21,

Thanks, yes, I have used Vag commander before in my cluster swaps. Thank you also for your photos earlier in this thread of your mod to a mini DIS Cluster and for showing a full DIS cluster is not needed, in fact there are less backlight leds to remove possibly ?
Its good I now have a spare to play with and non DIS clusters are pretty cheap should I need another. I might take it apart today to have a look, I'm thinking about possibly using vacant pins on the green connector for the stalk connections etc, I'm not bothered about bulb or washer bottle monitoring and there might just be enough.
Hi,

In the middle, 15 leds needs to be removed and of course the old small screen has to go. old lcd backlight leds
Nothing else needs to be modded on the board if I remember correctly.
The white plastic "frame" needs to be modded a little. The high beam indicator led area has to be cut in half. high beam led plastic frame
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The right side of the 3dcolormfd and the white plastic needs to be grinded. not much space

The software for the 3dcolormfd has a calibration feature where the image can be moved pixel by pixel (the screen is bigger than the hole luckily).

I had to replace my wiper stalk because I didn't have buttons and the pins for the wires were also missing. I purchased a new connector with pins, the part number is 893971636.
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I didnt used the connector but used the pins to add them to the old connector. adding pins and wires to wiper stalk connector (yes I used ethernet cables)

I hope these informations helps.
 
Well my 3dcolormfd kit arrived this morning, nice quick easy ordering and delivery from Eduard:) so modifying my old non DIS cluster can now progress.
I’ll take plenty of photos and do a ‘how to’ thread later, It’s nice to have a indoor project to do at this time of year ;)

Andy

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Well my 3dcolormfd kit arrived this morning, nice quick easy ordering and delivery from Eduard:) so modifying my old non DIS cluster can now progress.
I’ll take plenty of photos and do a ‘how to’ thread later, It’s nice to have a indoor project to do at this time of year ;)

Andy

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Hello Andy,

Awesome news. Really looking forward to the full write up on this. Thank you for sharing Sir.

Having the ColorMFA option installed within Project OEM, which I think is actually very elegant, I was hoping for the 3DColorMFD alternative in the new project, just to explore something different. I'm sure either option is packed with very similar features but from looking at the available online images, I personally prefer the GUI of the 3DColourMFD.

The very best of luck.

Kind regards,

Tom
 
Hello Andy,

Awesome news. Really looking forward to the full write up on this. Thank you for sharing Sir.

Having the ColorMFA option installed within Project OEM, which I think is actually very elegant, I was hoping for the 3DColorMFD alternative in the new project, just to explore something different. I'm sure either option is packed with very similar features but from looking at the available online images, I personally prefer the GUI of the 3DColourMFD.

The very best of luck.

Kind regards,

Tom

Tom just to say I recently installed a 3dcolormfd on a Audi TT the process was not too bad but very time consuming and requires good soldering skills and resources. I’d also recommend it as a 2 man job as doing it with a friend really helped double check, the instructions are god awful, I would suggest ready though many many times then creating your own plan from their resource, as they mix and match relevant with non relevant all the way through. Also having now had both the MFA and MFD, I’d say the colormfa is a more developed project, but they are both good the mfd has some features the MFA does not, but the MFA just feels like more can be done on the device itself and the interface is better.


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Tom just to say I recently installed a 3dcolormfd on a Audi TT the process was not too bad but very time consuming and requires good soldering skills and resources. I’d also recommend it as a 2 man job as doing it with a friend really helped double check, the instructions are god awful, I would suggest ready though many many times then creating your own plan from their resource, as they mix and match relevant with non relevant all the way through. Also having now had both the MFA and MFD, I’d say the colormfa is a more developed project, but they are both good the mfd has some features the MFA does not, but the MFA just feels like more can be done on the device itself and the interface is better.


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Evening Edward,

Thank you so much for this feedback and the advice, all understood Sir. I totally get what you mean about the ColorMFA being a developed project, the teams Forum is so much more established whereas the 3DColorMFD Forum is certainly in its infancy.

The more I drive Project PDK the more I realise that I’m missing the MFA in Project OEM. Guess I should just go for what I know already works and has a whole user and support community behind it.

Before I make a final decision on which way to go I really should upgrade the instruct cluster from poverty to DIS.

Do you know if the MFD has the Rear OPS display and if so does activate via K-Line diagnostics or does is utilise CAN just like the MFA. So far I’ve had the MFA push the OPS display traffic to the RNS-E PU but not managed to get the display within the MFA screen. I know why and how to complete it but it takes time, something I’ve just lost with a summit of retrofits needed on the new commuter to get it to a similar specification to that of the OEM A2.

I’d like to have a look at a MFD though, you’re not too far away either. Fancy a catch up one morning on a weekend.

Kind regards,

Tom
 
Tom just to say I recently installed a 3dcolormfd on a Audi TT the process was not too bad but very time consuming and requires good soldering skills and resources. I’d also recommend it as a 2 man job as doing it with a friend really helped double check, the instructions are god awful, I would suggest ready though many many times then creating your own plan from their resource, as they mix and match relevant with non relevant all the way through. Also having now had both the MFA and MFD, I’d say the colormfa is a more developed project, but they are both good the mfd has some features the MFA does not, but the MFA just feels like more can be done on the device itself and the interface is better.


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Thanks @Edwrai, and I agree the instructions really for both units could be better, with MFD there is no specific A2 instructions are there, although the A3 is very similar, the MFA's english can be confusing.
I'm now well into my MFD install and really enjoying it, wiring is completed, I've powered it and now to fix it in place and trim the white plastic.
Yes I've consulted many times both sets of instructions for information, compared connection details, printed and added details/amended excel connector lists for both kit details to compare, and with these sources, Elsawin and @szegi21 's photos, its all good!
I've learned a lot about these clusters from researching both kits from a installation point of view, but I've not yet had a in use play with either!
I agree the MFA website and forum seems better, its just that I found availability and ordering easier of the MFD and I ended up sending cash to Ukraine rather than Russia, and I've not yet need to find any support that isn't readily available.
There's a bit of perhaps false info about MFA being only for full DIS clusters, I can sort of see why they say this, its nice to wire to the grey connector and keeps it a bit neater than adding another connector somewhere, but I might look at using vacant pins on the green if I did this again. for non DIS extras car. I personally wouldn't mod a good DIS cluster, I'd sell it and get a non DIS to do that, there are other easier installation advantages to non DIS clusters too it seems.
It all is really good fun :)

Andy
 
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Evening Edward,

Thank you so much for this feedback and the advice, all understood Sir. I totally get what you mean about the ColorMFA being a developed project, the teams Forum is so much more established whereas the 3DColorMFD Forum is certainly in its infancy.

The more I drive Project PDK the more I realise that I’m missing the MFA in Project OEM. Guess I should just go for what I know already works and has a whole user and support community behind it.

Before I make a final decision on which way to go I really should upgrade the instruct cluster from poverty to DIS.

Do you know if the MFD has the Rear OPS display and if so does activate via K-Line diagnostics or does is utilise CAN just like the MFA. So far I’ve had the MFA push the OPS display traffic to the RNS-E PU but not managed to get the display within the MFA screen. I know why and how to complete it but it takes time, something I’ve just lost with a summit of retrofits needed on the new commuter to get it to a similar specification to that of the OEM A2.

I’d like to have a look at a MFD though, you’re not too far away either. Fancy a catch up one morning on a weekend.

Kind regards,

Tom

I remembered reading this post and that it maybe useful information after doing this.

As Andy said below no need to do this on a dis as it can even be installed on VAG models without any display, as it doesn’t use any of dis connectors, it connects to pins of the connector that enter the board it is basically completely.

Yes the colormfd does do parking sensors but I think it is most likely via CAN however I’m not sure, if you go on their Facebook page they are extremely good at answering questions about the project it the one called 3dcolormfd all one word as there are others, as I note they will also write custom code for functions.

The reason I went with colormfd is that I could get one, I do like the configuration utility that runs on a laptop.

My colormfd also supports webesto start up however I think it’s unlikely this works on the a2 I certainly don’t have this on my TT so can’t test it.


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Evening Edward,

Thank you so much for this feedback and the advice, all understood Sir. I totally get what you mean about the ColorMFA being a developed project, the teams Forum is so much more established whereas the 3DColorMFD Forum is certainly in its infancy.

The more I drive Project PDK the more I realise that I’m missing the MFA in Project OEM. Guess I should just go for what I know already works and has a whole user and support community behind it.

Before I make a final decision on which way to go I really should upgrade the instruct cluster from poverty to DIS.

Do you know if the MFD has the Rear OPS display and if so does activate via K-Line diagnostics or does is utilise CAN just like the MFA. So far I’ve had the MFA push the OPS display traffic to the RNS-E PU but not managed to get the display within the MFA screen. I know why and how to complete it but it takes time, something I’ve just lost with a summit of retrofits needed on the new commuter to get it to a similar specification to that of the OEM A2.

I’d like to have a look at a MFD though, you’re not too far away either. Fancy a catch up one morning on a weekend.

Kind regards,

Tom

These are the parking sensor options bottom of picture.

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Evening Edward,

Thanks for the information, you’re of course correct and it only works over CAN just like the ColorMFA.

The A2 8Z0 PDC Controller doesn't offer the OPS traffic via CAN. There is a simply way around it which I’m not far off completing but recently adding to the fleet has slowed the progress on this development.

I’m not on Facebook but perhaps I should join just to check the 3DColorMFD pages. Really interested in seeing this in person at some point.

Kind regards,

Tom
 
Evening Edward,

Thanks for the information, you’re of course correct and it only works over CAN just like the ColorMFA.

The A2 8Z0 PDC Controller doesn't offer the OPS traffic via CAN. There is a simply way around it which I’m not far off completing but recently adding to the fleet has slowed the progress on this development.

I’m not on Facebook but perhaps I should join just to check the 3DColorMFD pages. Really interested in seeing this in person at some point.

Kind regards,

Tom

Tom,

The people who do the 3dcolormfd also do a CAN converter for PDC.

Parktronic is available now!

To connect OEM parking sensors (for example, 3B0 919 283 or 8Е0 919 283) to 3dcolormfd, you need to install our CAN bus Adapter in OEM parking sensors according to the scheme below:

T16/1 -> 9. BS (+12v)

T16/8 -> 10. G (GND)

T16/12 -> 1 (K-line)

T16/7 -> 18 L1 (Can-bus Low)

T16/4 -> 18 H1 (Can-bus High)

Plus, you need to connect Adapter to Can bus Comfort

#parktronic


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You can also apparently use a later PDC control from a different car with CAN support. But the information on this product is a hot mess as Facebook is awful


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Such a shame as this could be a very good product. It is dogged with bad instructions that conflict. What is needed is an accurate English set of installation instructions along with any extra modules that are supported.
 
Such a shame as this could be a very good product. It is dogged with bad instructions that conflict. What is needed is an accurate English set of installation instructions along with any extra modules that are supported.
I agree, I'm working on writing accurate instructions for fitting a 3Dcolormfd in a A2 non DIS cluster, based on my experience and discoveries whilst doing my own, as I don't believe a guide exists.
The A3 instructions I was told to use 'as they're the same' are not accurate and I've found 4 inputs/wired connections that are not needed, no extra display CAN wiring is needed to the stereo etc.
I don't know anything about the add on modules though.

Andy
 
Evening Edward,

Tom,

The people who do the 3dcolormfd also do a CAN converter for PDC.

Parktronic is available now!

To connect OEM parking sensors (for example, 3B0 919 283 or 8Е0 919 283) to 3dcolormfd, you need to install our CAN bus Adapter in OEM parking sensors according to the scheme below:

T16/1 -> 9. BS (+12v)

T16/8 -> 10. G (GND)

T16/12 -> 1 (K-line)

T16/7 -> 18 L1 (Can-bus Low)

T16/4 -> 18 H1 (Can-bus High)

Plus, you need to connect Adapter to Can bus Comfort

#parktronic
Thank you so much for the information, I guess this CAN adapter would possibly also work with the ColorMFA. I may have to do a bit more research on this item.

You can also apparently use a later PDC control from a different car with CAN support. But the information on this product is a hot mess as Facebook is awful
This is exactly what I'm doing with the ColorMFA in Project OEM. I've got a 4F0910283B PDC control module which supports the 4 rear sensors with visualisation (OPS) support. It's already fitted but not working perfectly yet as I need to understand the pinout to add a LED which would be along the same wire as the OPS Off Button which is found in later Audi's. Without the OPS Off Button (or the just LED for resistance) I get a fault which won't clear and as such the OPS display in DIS just won't work, frustrating. I'm so close to completing this but when I thought I had time to play I ended up purchasing the PDK A2, this progressed into the other driver here taking on the OEM A2. I've not been able to tinker with the OPS display in DIS since then.

I'll get there though. Still interested in seeing the 3DColorMFD in action at some point.

Kind regards,

Tom
 
I am too interested in this nice display, but hesitating; I wouldnt want to support anything russian but cant get my head around whether it is russian or not.
What is your perception?
Hi Joga,

The transaction is completed through the Diaz tuning shop on Lavky market place which accepts paypal etc, https://lavky.com/diaztuning
this appears to be a Ukraining worldwide selling site, my order arrived quickly over the Christmas period. The first step to placing a order is on the 3Dcolormfd website, then edward sends you the link to Lavky.

Andy
 
Evening Edward,


Thank you so much for the information, I guess this CAN adapter would possibly also work with the ColorMFA. I may have to do a bit more research on this item.


This is exactly what I'm doing with the ColorMFA in Project OEM. I've got a 4F0910283B PDC control module which supports the 4 rear sensors with visualisation (OPS) support. It's already fitted but not working perfectly yet as I need to understand the pinout to add a LED which would be along the same wire as the OPS Off Button which is found in later Audi's. Without the OPS Off Button (or the just LED for resistance) I get a fault which won't clear and as such the OPS display in DIS just won't work, frustrating. I'm so close to completing this but when I thought I had time to play I ended up purchasing the PDK A2, this progressed into the other driver here taking on the OEM A2. I've not been able to tinker with the OPS display in DIS since then.

I'll get there though. Still interested in seeing the 3DColorMFD in action at some point.

Kind regards,

Tom

Would be good to meet up again.


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Hi Joga,

The transaction is completed through the Diaz tuning shop on Lavky market place which accepts paypal etc, https://lavky.com/diaztuning
this appears to be a Ukraining worldwide selling site, my order arrived quickly over the Christmas period. The first step to placing a order is on the 3Dcolormfd website, then edward sends you the link to Lavky.

Andy

I just spoke to him on WhatsApp I believe and PayPaled the money


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