Fuel cost : Diesel Vs Petrol?

"I'm glad Bret sees the same thing as I do, high prices drives innovation away from oil"

I'd say that's only a small factor in the face of rapidly depleting stocks and global warming. Nothing much happened with regards to alternative energy research during the high oil prices in the late 70’s.

I Agree on the BBC article tho.
 
Cracking/Refining:

Petrol:
mix of alkanes and cycloalkanes (5 to 12 carbon atoms)
boiling range = 104 to 401 degrees Fahrenheit / 40 to 205 degrees Celsius


Kerosene - Jet fuel
mix of alkanes (10 to 18 carbons) and aromatics
boiling range = 350 to 617 degrees Fahrenheit / 175 to 325 degrees Celsius

Diesel distillate - used for diesel fuel and heating oil; starting material for making other products
alkanes containing 12 or more carbon atoms
boiling range = 482 to 662 degrees Fahrenheit / 250 to 350 degrees Celsius



Diesel requires less distilling and can be made from heavier crude or bio/waste sources. North Sea Oil was mainly "sweet crude" which is good for Kersone etc. However.....

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You can make gasoline and diesel from any grade of crude, but the yields depend on the type of refinery being used. The simplest "topping" refinery will produce a yield something like this (for the West Texas Intermediate grade):

Butanes, lighter 2.3%; LSR gasoline 7.8%; Reforming naphtha 28.4%; Kerosene 11.9%; Diesel 15.7%; Low sulfur VGO 24.2%; Low sulfur resid 9.7%;

These are further upgraded and then blended to make gasoline and diesel. Now, as the crude gets heavier you get a higher yield of diesel over gasoline (but less of both).

And when you have fancy refineries (e.g. those with hydrocrackers, reformers, cokers, etc.) then the yields change again. Further complicating the picture is the ability of refiners to tune, in effect, their product yields according to what will sell for the most at market.

If diesel were adopted more as a car fuel (say, to the level that it is in Europe and other parts of the world) then you would see refiners running heavier crude slates, tuning their cuts to make diesel, and trying to meet demand. The diesel "crack" (currently at an all-time high of $20.35 over the cost of crude) would go even higher and the gasoline crack (currently $9.20 over crude) would drop. It is certainly possible that a gallon of gasoline could cost less than a gallon of crude."

But that last comment has more to do with the market value than the cost of making petrol!
 
Imo, the price at the pump hasn’t dropped at all rather it’s increased. The government seeking to deflect policy for cash ‘gate’ decided to scare monger the UK into bleeding the petrol station dry due to the imminent (but Non-existent) fuel tanker strike.

A couple of days after that the price hiked for no discernable reason. It’s only started to readjust now.
 
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Imo, the price at the pump hasn’t dropped at all rather it’s increased. The government seeking to deflect policy for cash ‘gate’ decided to scare monger the UK into bleeding the petrol station dry due to the imminent (but Non-existent) fuel tanker strike.

A couple of days after that the price hiked for no discernable reason. It’s only started to readjust now.

that's very true. I see cheapest is at 137 which I think is still 1-2p higher than before the mess created by the government.
 
(off the net re todays news that prices are on the up again)

Oil a commodity that was theoretically priced according to supply and demand doubled from $69 a barrel to nearly $150, and then, in a period of just three months, crashed along with the stock market.

So what happened? It's a complicated question, and there are lots of theories. Many people believe that it had more to do with traders and speculators on Wall Street than with oil company executives or sheiks in Saudi Arabia.

To understand what happened to the price of oil, you first have to understand the way it's traded. For years it has been bought and sold on something called the commodities futures market. At the New York Mercantile Exchange, it's traded alongside cotton and coffee, copper and steel by brokers who buy and sell contracts to deliver those goods at a certain price at some date in the future.

Dan Gilligan as president of the Petroleum Marketers Association represents more than 8,000 retail and wholesale suppliers, everyone from home heating oil companies to gas station owners. When 60 Minutes talked to him last summer, his members were getting blamed for gouging the public, even though their costs had also gone through the roof. He told Kroft the problem was in the commodities markets, which had been invaded by a new breed of investor.

"Approximately 60 to 70 percent of the oil contracts in the futures markets are now held by speculative entities. Not by companies that need oil, not by the airlines, not by the oil companies. But by investors that are looking to make money from their speculative positions," Gilligan explained

Gilligan said these investors don't actually take delivery of the oil. "All they do is buy the paper, and hope that they can sell it for more than they paid for it. Before they have to take delivery." "They're trying to make money on the market for oil?" Kroft asked.

"Absolutely," Gilligan replied. "On the volatility that exists in the market. They make it going up and down." He says his members in the home heating oil business, like Sean Cota of Bellows Falls, Vt., were the first to notice the effects a few years ago when prices seemed to disconnect from the basic fundamentals of supply and demand. Cota says there was plenty of product at the supply terminals, but the prices kept going up and up.

"We've had three price changes during the day where we pick up products, actually don't know what we paid for it and we'll go out and we'll sell that to the retail customer guessing at what the price was," Cota remembered. "The volatility is being driven by the huge amounts of money and the huge amounts of leverage that is going in to these markets."

About the same time, hedge fund manager Michael Masters reached the same conclusion. Masters' expertise is in tracking the flow of investments into and out of financial markets and he noticed huge amounts of money leaving stocks for commodities and oil futures, most of it going into index funds, betting the price of oil was going to go up.

Asked who was buying this "paper oil," Masters told Kroft, "The California pension fund. Harvard Endowment. Lots of large institutional investors. And, by the way, other investors, hedge funds, Wall Street trading desks were following right behind them, putting money - sovereign wealth funds were putting money in the futures markets as well. So you had all these investors putting money in the futures markets. And that was driving the price up."

In a five year period, Masters said the amount of money institutional investors, hedge funds, and the big Wall Street banks had placed in the commodities markets went from $13 billion to $300 billion. Last year, 27 barrels of crude were being traded every day on the New York Mercantile Exchange for every one barrel of oil that was actually being consumed.
 
A note of casual interest...

A full (34L) tank of diesel for the A2 TDI would cost 46p in Venezuela at the moment.
 
We should buy a tanker full for the club. The tanker holds aroun 34,000l of diesel so that would be £460. Even with the cost of shipping it back to Europe it would be a great deal ;-)
 
it is staggering. Consider Brent / WTI Crude March delivery is at 114/97 a barrel (at time of writing). You roughly get 10 US gallon of diesel from a barrel (~1/4th volume) and that is give or take 38L. Take the simplest calculation (possibly wildly inaccurate, but for fun) $100 a barrel, 1/4 for diesel and it is still about $22 to fill the A2 TDI 34L tank, before taking into account refinery and shipping cost and any offsets from the by-products. That means Venezuela is practically losing money selling domestically than on the open market!
 
I'm not sure it is heavily subsidised as such; it is estimated to cost $20-30 to produce a barrel of crude in Venezuela. Which a quick rough estimation tells me 46p to fill 34L is about right (may be a very small sub) if there is no duty or tax. But certainly their government isn't robbing their motorists on their fuel that's for sure!
 
I'm not sure it is heavily subsidised as such; it is estimated to cost $20-30 to produce a barrel of crude in Venezuela. Which a quick rough estimation tells me 46p to fill 34L is about right (may be a very small sub) if there is no duty or tax. But certainly their government isn't robbing their motorists on their fuel that's for sure!

A thorough bit of research, Humps. Yes, the word 'heavily' ought to be removed from my previous post.
 
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