Help with wishbone replacement

Bawhee

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Hey everyone,

I'm still on my quest to get my little A2 to 555,555... Actually I'm only about 400km away. Unfortunately the place I get my car serviced at has just informed me that there is a problem with the wishbone and it will need to be replaced. I'm not sure exactly what the problem is yet, as I couldn't speak for long when they called and now they aren't picking up, but suffice to say that they've been fixing this car for 10 years now and I don't expect any nonsense from them.

My unfortunate issue is, that the part number I'm looking for is 8Z0199293Q, which is for the 1.4 petrol variant of the A2, while all I can find online for a used replacement (as I am currently pretty broke) is the diesel variant (8Z0199293R). As the part numbers are different I am inclined to believe that I ought to just shell out the €300 for a new replacement - which they've said they've confirmed is available. Still I wanted to just check with your collective knowledge if the diesel variant would work, as I've found one for about €50.

Thanks for any help!
 
My understanding with these and the console castings they bolt into is that the difference is purely in the grade of the rubber in the pair of bushings that locate the wishbone with diesels using a slightly tougher grade owing to the greater weight of the engine at the front. Consequently substituting a pair of the diesel wishbones is probably do-able in the event of the exact part not being easy to find.
 
So, since getting that bushing replaced was the initial reason for the car being in the shop and that was going to happen anyways, they should be interchangeable otherwise? Cause that could save me a lot of money...
Thanks for the reply!
 
Be careful which diesel variant you are looking at. The 1.2TDI has completely different suspension geometry and special aluminium parts. However the suspension of the 1.4 diesels and the petrol engines is exactly the same except for the bushes, which are more robust for the heavier diesel engines. So there should be no problem using a 1.4TDI part on a petrol engine. Many of the aftermarket replacements don't even specify any difference between petrol and diesel applications because the 1.6 petrol engine weighs not far short of what the diesels do in any case. You can also use the later pressed arms in place of the earlier cast ones if you can't get them - just guard against and watch out for corrosion.
 
Be careful which diesel variant you are looking at. The 1.2TDI has completely different suspension geometry and special aluminium parts. However the suspension of the 1.4 diesels and the petrol engines is exactly the same except for the bushes, which are more robust for the heavier diesel engines. So there should be no problem using a 1.4TDI part on a petrol engine. Many of the aftermarket replacements don't even specify any difference between petrol and diesel applications because the 1.6 petrol engine weighs not far short of what the diesels do in any case. You can also use the later pressed arms in place of the earlier cast ones if you can't get them - just guard against and watch out for corrosion.
Ok, so as the part I've found listed does not specify whether it was 1.2TDI or 1.4, I've just gotten the picture off the site and maybe you can let me know if this sis the correct part. Based on my research (the entire past 35 minutes of it) it looks exactly the same as the part number I'm looking for but again, I only have a very basic understanding of the whole field and am absolutely not a mechanic... If you think it would help I can also post the link to the part I'm looking at online. Thank you so much for your time!
 

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It certainly looks like the ones I have on my 1.4TDI - I've never seen a 1.2TDI item though as they were LHD only and weren't sold in this country. I just know from having read it on here that their suspension was different. @RAB or @Erlingtheyounger may be able to confirm that this is not a 1.2TDI part.
 
My unfortunate issue is, that the part number I'm looking for is 8Z0199293Q, which is for the 1.4 petrol variant of the A2, while all I can find online for a used replacement (as I am currently pretty broke) is the diesel variant (8Z0199293R).

I think that you need to have a proper conversation with your mechanic to clarify the precise problem they have identified. The part numbers you quote are for the console rather than the wishbone.

Used wishbones (which often come with used consoles) are often in poor condition and require replacement.
 
You are correct. There is somewhat of a language barrier here, as I'm not well enough versed in car part vocabulary. Is it safe to assume that this changes the situation greatly?
And yes, now that I think about it the wishbone is obviously the part that looks like an actual wishbone and I should have been talking about the console all along, frustratingly. I didn't think about the terminology critically when I got the call and made this post based mainly on my google searching capabilities... sorry for the mixup!

I'm about to head in to a meeting before driving down to the shop so I can look at the problem and get a clear picture of what's happening, I'll post an update when I can get a better idea of what's up.
 
Do you need a new console, or just the rubber bush that presses into the console?

The photo that you showed has a cast iron wishbone, so won't be for the 1.2 diesel as they use aluminium wishbones.

1.4/1.6 petrol console bush 8Z0407183
2A8Z0 407 183bonded rubber bush2AUA, BBY

1.4 diesel console bush 8Z0407183A
8Z0 407 183 Abonded rubber bush2AMF, ATL, BHC

Notice that the console and console bushes are shown under the engine mount section and not the suspension section on 7zap.
 
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Ok, so I got home and dozed off until 2.30am... have had a few stressful days and this situation is not helping lol. I guess I was more beat than I thought. Anyways I am now 100% sure that the problem is with the console. Pardon the butchering of terminology here but one of the bolt holes has a long crack going along it through the full width of the console.
My question remains the same, as I am now 100% sure that replacement is needed to be safe - would the diesel part work? Is the difference really just the bush? It does look like the two parts are the same judging by pictures but it would be really good to be able to know for sure.
And yeah, the bushes were going to be replaced anyway.
 
The consoles are common components across the shared front pq24 subframe it's the bush that vary

6Q0199293D Left
6Q0199294D Right

Search perforated wishbone thread

Complete subframe swap is an option also
 
The consoles are common components across the shared front pq24 subframe it's the bush that vary

6Q0199293D Left
6Q0199294D Right

This all sounds good, and the OP should be fine with a used Diesel spec console. Just swap the bush over and you're sorted.
 
As long as it's not ruined, I honestly wouldn't worry about which bush comes in the replacement console to fit to a petrol car: if it's a diesel bush it will surely handle the lighter weight of the petrol engine. However if buying a used console with a cast arm attached (as per the OP's photo), do make sure of the condition of the balljoint, they're integral and can't be replaced separately. Then, instead of a relatively easy fix involving just a few bolts and separating the current balljoint, you'd also have to fit the current arm onto the replacement console.
 
The consoles are common components across the shared front pq24 subframe it's the bush that vary

6Q0199293D Left
6Q0199294D Right

Search perforated wishbone thread

Complete subframe swap is an option also

Left console from VW Polo MK4 (and other similar VW group cars) 6Q0199293D
26Q0 199 293 Dconsoleleft1
Right console from VW Polo MK4 (and other similar VW group cars) 6Q0199294D
(2)6Q0 199 294 Dconsoleright1
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Here's a secondhand 6Q0199293D (left console from VW Polo MK4, and other similar VW group cars) on ebay.de for £24 Euros + shipping. It's a very common part, hence the cheap price and large numbers being listed).
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Just change the bushes to Audi A2 bushes.

Audi A2 console bush for petrol models 8Z0407183 (note that only OEM part number 8Z0407183 is shown on these eight listings on autodoc, which should mean that it's an exact match to that OEM part number...but not always)
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Febi 39091 8Z0407183 (console bush for petrol models)

Febi 39644 8Z0407151J (left cast iron track control arm for petrol models)
 
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Hey everyone, sorry for the late response, but I was unfortunately downed by COVID (again). However, all of your advice was 100% correct and I did get everything sorted with the console, bushings and also new springs, wishbones etc.
Thank you for all of the advice, which was absolutely spot on and did save me a nice chunk of change :)
 
Having to replace the LHS bush on my 2004 1.4TDI and any bush (for 1.4TDI) the audi specialist receives is just too small to fit and slides out the console. It appears LHS arm has the non-solid bush type (for lighter engines) but having read above looks like the castings should be the same.

I have possibility to purchase the correct genuine arm from germany but anyone else come across the size issue as there is a big difference in costs.
 
Having to replace the LHS bush on my 2004 1.4TDI and any bush (for 1.4TDI) the audi specialist receives is just too small to fit and slides out the console. It appears LHS arm has the non-solid bush type (for lighter engines) but having read above looks like the castings should be the same.

I have possibility to purchase the correct genuine arm from germany but anyone else come across the size issue as there is a big difference in costs.

Different sized bushes based on Polo or A2 console....
 
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