Interesting...........or......

Has anyone seen the ad on Gumtree for a share in developing an electric A2..........Take a look!
£100 per share and cost of car at the end £10k....
Not saying its not possible, we know it is, but are there enough people around who will want an old A2 that's been modded to an electric power ......…
More interesting is it anyone on here and will there now be a upsurge in value for mechanically broken A2's...
 

Jellybean

A2OC Donor
There u go.

Electric Audi A2
I'm testing the interest in a creating an Electric Audi A2. Let me know if the following makes any sense.

£100 buys a share in this journey to deliver an affordable electric vehicle. The destinat…

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Beagles

Member
At that link I get a:
"Sorry, the ad you are looking for is no longer available. Please see similar ads below."

Perhaps this was a scam?
 

Jellybean

A2OC Donor
May well have been, but the principle of an EA2 is interesting!

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Looks like the ads been pulled......I had saved it but its now gone......maybe it was reported or Gumtree didn't think it suitable, the poster was newly registered so perhaps a little suspicious...…..
Will have to keep an eye out for it again or if it pops up on other sites..
 

Gary Clarke

New Member
Hello all. I am the author of the ad. It's not a scam, I just had second thoughts about going about gauging interest in collaboration on a project this way.

Here's the text:

I'm testing the interest in a creating an Electric Audi A2. Let me know if the following makes any sense.

£100 buys a share in this journey to deliver an affordable electric vehicle. The destination is a 100 km/h cruising speed with 100 km range for £10000.

The base vehicle is the Audi A2. In production from 2000 to 2005, the A2 was ahead of it's time. Today, the lightweight, stronger than steel, no rust aluminium body is still high tech. It makes an ideal base for a motorway-capable electric city car, good for another twenty years. But this time with a high torque, low maintenance and emission-free electric buzz.

The combustion engine, gearbox and fuel system sent for scrap. We put in a new Tesla powered heart using modified Toyota hybrid. The Toyota technology is compact and powerful. It completely does away with the old engine and gearbox.

Where the engine was, goes a Tesla high energy battery pack. Keeping vehicle handling and interior space unchanged.

The concept is already proven, but this is a first in a small Audi.

The completed vehicle will with warranty and technical support. An option on any upgrades and revisions developed in future conversions.

Shareholders have the option to buy the completed vehicle for £10000. Priority given in order of holding size.

The proceeds of sale will pay off the costs and the balance returned to shareholders. Then to reinvest in the only the second ever 100 Km/h, 100 km, £10k electric A2 EV.


Since then I've taken another approach which I posted on a Facebook group.


I'm making a call out for a collaborator(s) on a project to create electric A2 with 100 kmh cruising speed, 100 km range for £10k. I have the vehicle, parts list and pot of cash. I need someone with workshop space and tools to strip out the ICE parts. There will be some light fabrication welding which could be subbed out. Some CANbus knowledge would be useful but the the rest will be a voyage of discovery and a steep learning curve. So, anyone with within striking range of East Herts and an pioneering spirit, please get in touch.

And in reply to a response:

The donor vehicle will be a Toyota or Lexus hybrid. The transmission of which is an electric motor with potential for 110hp and only takes up the space of the A2 gearbox. This leaves the entire engine space and weight available for batteries. A few more batteries where the fuel tank was and the goal is for no batteries in the interior space and kerb weight the close to the original with a fuel tank of fuel.

All thoughts and opinions welcome.
 
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oowee

Member
The former owner of Chargemaster, (EV charging stations) based at Cranfield Tech Park was buying and converting new Citroen C1's to electric. If I remember correctly they were converting upto 2000 (?) a year to avoid type approval. If it would help I will try and dig out his name (keith ??) he would be an ideal chap to talk to. Lots of knowledge on conversions and worked with me on instaling charging infrastructure as part of the Bucks EV project with Nissan and BMW.
 

Gary Clarke

New Member
The former owner of Chargemaster, (EV charging stations) based at Cranfield Tech Park was buying and converting new Citroen C1's to electric. If I remember correctly they were converting upto 2000 (?) a year to avoid type approval. If it would help I will try and dig out his name (keith ??) he would be an ideal chap to talk to. Lots of knowledge on conversions and worked with me on instaling charging infrastructure as part of the Bucks EV project with Nissan and BMW.

I've made contact with a French start up with a similar concept, but they are not as far advanced as it appears.

 

Beagles

Member
Hello all. I am the author of the ad. It's not a scam, I just had second thoughts about going about gauging interest in collaboration on a project this way.

Here's the text:

I'm testing the interest in a creating an Electric Audi A2. Let me know if the following makes any sense.

£100 buys a share in this journey to deliver an affordable electric vehicle. The destination is a 100 km/h cruising speed with 100 km range for £10000.

The base vehicle is the Audi A2. In production from 2000 to 2005, the A2 was ahead of it's time. Today, the lightweight, stronger than steel, no rust aluminium body is still high tech. It makes an ideal base for a motorway-capable electric city car, good for another twenty years. But this time with a high torque, low maintenance and emission-free electric buzz.

The combustion engine, gearbox and fuel system sent for scrap. We put in a new Tesla powered heart using modified Toyota hybrid. The Toyota technology is compact and powerful. It completely does away with the old engine and gearbox.

Where the engine was, goes a Tesla high energy battery pack. Keeping vehicle handling and interior space unchanged.

The concept is already proven, but this is a first in a small Audi.

The completed vehicle will with warranty and technical support. An option on any upgrades and revisions developed in future conversions.

Shareholders have the option to buy the completed vehicle for £10000. Priority given in order of holding size.

The proceeds of sale will pay off the costs and the balance returned to shareholders. Then to reinvest in the only the second ever 100 Km/h, 100 km, £10k electric A2 EV.


Since then I've taken another approach which I posted on a Facebook group.


I'm making a call out for a collaborator(s) on a project to create electric A2 with 100 kmh cruising speed, 100 km range for £10k. I have the vehicle, parts list and pot of cash. I need someone with workshop space and tools to strip out the ICE parts. There will be some light fabrication welding which could be subbed out. Some CANbus knowledge would be useful but the the rest will be a voyage of discovery and a steep learning curve. So, anyone with within striking range of East Herts and an pioneering spirit, please get in touch.

And in reply to a response:

The donor vehicle will be a Toyota or Lexus hybrid. The transmission of which is an electric motor with potential for 110hp and only takes up the space of the A2 gearbox. This leaves the entire engine space and weight available for batteries. A few more batteries where the fuel tank was and the goal is for no batteries in the interior space and kerb weight the close to the original with a fuel tank of fuel.

All thoughts and opinions welcome.
I'm definitely interested in this. Is there any plans to have a longer range version further down the line?
 
there is a definite angle for it , i am seriously mulling over getting a mustang mach e for a daily but would love an a2 e for the pure hell of it
 

oowee

Member
When BMW were testing public reation to EV's they made 400 electric mini's which were two seaters full ofbattery and they only had a range (warm weather) of around 50 miles. They were all crushed at the end of the test :(
 
One of the first things that will need to be checked is insurance ……….wether or not companies will give reasonably priced quotes.......
I would perhaps approach some insurance companies (not brokers) to see if they will provide cover, as you plan to produce a number of cars they may want to have a car inspected to ensure the engineering is sound with no possible future issues and that the basic operation does not deviate to far from the type approval the car came with.
You may also find that by changing the power source you'll have to reregister as an EV....will they then issue a "Q" plate type of registration number (possibly not if most of the running gear is original), some companies will not cover that type of vehicle.
It may pan out that selling a conversion kit would be an option to get round any issues with registering but I know since some major overhauls of the "kit car" registration system there have been quite a few issues about the points scheme they use to asses a vehicle
 

lfield

Member
All thoughts and opinions welcome.
The main question is why and what is the goal? I have been interested in electric Triumph Spitfire conversions for years. The conclusion I came to was that it isn't the same car and I should spend my time and effort in maintaining the Triumph Spitfire as it was intended to be. You can't compete with the R&D budgets of the big car manufacturers so the goal is really to make a cheaper electric car. Unless you have an A2 with a broken engine, you might as well keep it as it is. I have thought about getting a new electric car but the when considering the costs, it doesn't make economical sense (£2000 A2 plus £50 a month in petrol). In terms of the environmental impact, extending the life of an A2 is probably better than manufacturing a new electric car. If there is interest, then focusing on a conversion kit would probably be the best way to proceed. There are already companies doing conversions kits but maybe not for the A2. So again is the idea to do it cheaper or do you think they are missing a gap in the market? One limitation on conversions is the suppy of A2 donor vehicles. Having said that I like the idea of the electric Mini Moke NoSmoke, but it looks like they are re-manufacturing rather than converting.
 

Gary Clarke

New Member
The main question is why and what is the goal? ...
This will be different for everyone. For me there is more than one goal, more than one motivation.

But yes the bottom line is the goal is to produce a conversion kit. A kit that is cheaper and technically better.

We achieve both goals by reusing the parts from Toyota hybrid vehicles. The cost saving comes from picking up the transaxle, the inverter, and the cabling on ebay for less than £1000.

The technical improvement comes from weight and space savings made from being able to replace the ICE and gearbox with only the Toyota transaxle. The missing weight is usefully replaced with battery. This preserves interior space but also benefits vehicle handling.

There are other benefits eco, social, intellectual, practical etc that may motivate other people. But the above are mine.
 

lfield

Member
This will be different for everyone. For me there is more than one goal, more than one motivation.

But yes the bottom line is the goal is to produce a conversion kit. A kit that is cheaper and technically better.

We achieve both goals by reusing the parts from Toyota hybrid vehicles. The cost saving comes from picking up the transaxle, the inverter, and the cabling on ebay for less than £1000.

The technical improvement comes from weight and space savings made from being able to replace the ICE and gearbox with only the Toyota transaxle. The missing weight is usefully replaced with battery. This preserves interior space but also benefits vehicle handling.

There are other benefits eco, social, intellectual, practical etc that may motivate other people. But the above are mine.
If cost is a major factor then just drive an A2. It will be the cheapest, environmentally friendly option with minimal effort.
 

lfield

Member
I should add that I am not trying to dissuade you but you are more likely to succeed if you know what you are doing and why. Strongly critiquing a project at the start to identify potential issues in order to mitigate them makes it more likely to be successful. For me the only reason for doing this is because it is interesting and reading between the lines your main issue is lack of funding. A solution therefore maybe to use something like GoFundMe. You are more likely to reach your overall target if you break the project into small steps each with its own funding milestone. Producing a video log of the journey would be a way to give back the the people who fund you. They are also more likely to fund you if they see where the money has gone and wish to see the project continue. Best of luck.
 
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