PlasticMac
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Leeds clean air zone
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Guest 4123
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Hi Mac, do you have a link. It's well hidden!
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Jeetesh
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Diesels produce less CO2 than Petrol based on the efficiency of a Diesel engine, less fuel required to travel the same distance and hence less CO2.
The tax system at the time was CO2 based and as such cheaper road tax for lower CO2 cars.
Fast forward a few years and it became acknowledged that NOX particles produced by ICE’s, far more are generated in Diesel engines (not all diesels are the same though) and these NOX particles cause health issues. This is where legislation had to change and you have Euro4, Euro5, Euro6 etc.
Manufacturers countered this by after combustion treatment such as AdBlue and this has cleaned up new diesels.
In summary the latest diesels are very clean and the rubbish ones removed from sale. This coincides with a tax system that doesn’t align properly which is why we have an odd tax system. There isn’t an easy way out other than buying a car that’s Euro6 and clean enough pre-tax change and I did just that. Legislators can’t change the past, all they can control is the present and buying habits of the future and why we’ll all be forced into electric cars eventually.
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PlasticMac
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Ah, OK. For a CAZ, they will probably tell me that EU4 (diesel) is not of much use anyway. I will post a letter as there seems no other useful option - their automated webchat is useless!
Have the DVLA told you that they will replace your V5 with one that shows EU4?
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I completed the form; it is about CAZs anyway, but in France! An updated database in the UK doesn't help a foreign application! The latest V5 we have is for the E-Up (2017) and it's the same format as for the Lupo 3L - no field for the EU value.
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PlasticMac
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PlasticMac
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I'm sure the local databases must be based on the DVLA one. How would you go about creating an independent database? You couldn't.
So, if you get the DVLA database corrected it will, eventually filter through to the local ones. They must do a regular refresh to add new registrations to the local database, from the DVLA database.
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So, if you get the DVLA database corrected it will, eventually filter through to the local ones. They must do a regular refresh to add new registrations to the local database, from the DVLA database.
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No, not for France because they specifically ask for EU4 (or whatever) on the registration document. However, it does show the emission levels which would prove EU4. I have sent an email, asking what I would get with the current documents.
For Germany, I have sent an email to Herr Kestel. The CoC for the A2 shows an incorrect vehicle class (46 instead of 55) - Audi's mistake I believe. I'm not sure what Herr Kestel actually does; either he issues the plakette directly or changes a German database. If the latter, that's no help to me and Germany would technically be breaking EU law. Hopefully, it's the former.
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Yes, that can be the only way that it would work without even more inconsistencies!
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PlasticMac
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PlasticMac
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The C of C, and the emissions statement are VIN specific, that is for one individual car, not car/engine type. So, I don't think a group approach wouldn't work.
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That is strictly true but all models of the same car with the same configuration should have the same emission levels and therefore the same EU emissions group. The emissions would not have been individually determined for each car. Isn't something like the group approach implied in your reply from DVLA in post #41? Mind you, that also mentions the EU category on the V5! We can always live in hope! However, DVLA usually disappoints.
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Alan_uk
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Depends on the IT spec for the interface. If the spec says only process new and removed vehicles then it wont filter through (based on the premise that nothing should be changing for existing vehicles and also the need to avoid needlessly processing million of unchanged records). Hopefully there might be a function to request an update for a specific vehicle or to be able to change the local database for a specific vehicle, but again depends on the spec. The more functionality the more cost! When does government ever get their IT systems right!
PlasticMac
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You could be right about the local, if they exist, why would you keep local versions at all?
But @RAB should be OK, as his new V5 either way, as it will use the DVLA database, which will have been updated.
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Unfortunately EU4 for a diesel is next to useless in the UK. For me, for it to be of any use, it has to be on the V5; whether it's on the DVLA database or not (only) is irrelevant.
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It looks like I would get a green plakette for Germany now. They just ask for a registration document or CoC showing technical info:
www.berlin.de
In my case it would be the V5! The cost is €6. Beware of choosing the right website! Some will charge a lot more:
www.umwelt-plakette.de
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Online-Antrag Feinstaubplakette - Berlin.de
www.berlin.de
In my case it would be the V5! The cost is €6. Beware of choosing the right website! Some will charge a lot more:
Store – Umwelt-Plakette.de
Order here the official environmental badge for Germany ✔ For all the German environmental zones ✆ Phone service ✉ Free home delivery € Fixed price
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Good news from Germany! If you need a green plakette for your A2 1.2Tdi, you can send your V5 and CoC (originals) to TUV Bamberg and they will give you a D4 certificate and a green plakette. Cost is €80.
Before I had received the email from Herr Kestel, I had made an application to Berlin for a green plakette. All that they asked for was a registration document or a CoC. I sent them the V5 only, which shows emission levels and obviously no German taxation class. Cost is €6. This should be enough for a green plakette. If not, I'll have to take the Bamberg route.
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Before I had received the email from Herr Kestel, I had made an application to Berlin for a green plakette. All that they asked for was a registration document or a CoC. I sent them the V5 only, which shows emission levels and obviously no German taxation class. Cost is €6. This should be enough for a green plakette. If not, I'll have to take the Bamberg route.
RAB