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We have an agreement within the admin team on A2oc that any post or thread viewed as contentious can be moderated by any member of the team pending discussion and agreement. This policy has served us well over the years and I /we hope gives the forum an atmosphere of freedom and friendship. We rarely intervene in discussions. When we do it's for a valid reason. So comments making allegations of 'nanny state' are as disappointing as they are unwelcome to a small group of dedicated volunteers.
The post in contention has been restored to the forum. Singular post.

We urge members to observe our forum rules of avoiding public argument. We also wholly acknowledge the minefield of a marketplace which can result in disputes between members. It's inevitable. Our fraternal rules are inteneded to minimise the likelihood of dispute.

We shall investigate the complaints raised as far as it is our place to do so.

Meanwhile Merry Christmas and best wishes to you and your lovely wee motors. ❤️
M
 
murdo said:
We have an agreement within the admin team on A2oc that any post or thread viewed as contentious can be moderated by any member of the team pending discussion and agreement. This policy has served us well over the years and I /we hope gives the forum an atmosphere of freedom and friendship. We rarely intervene in discussions. When we do it's for a valid reason. So comments making allegations of 'nanny state' are as disappointing as they are unwelcome to a small group of dedicated volunteers.
The post in contention has been restored to the forum. Singular post.

We urge members to observe our forum rules of avoiding public argument. We also wholly acknowledge the minefield of a marketplace which can result in disputes between members. It's inevitable. Our fraternal rules are inteneded to minimise the likelihood of dispute.

We shall investigate the complaints raised as far as it is our place to do so.

Meanwhile Merry Christmas and best wishes to you and your lovely wee motors.
M
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Maybe a note when this happens as otherwise they just disappear and makes the conversation disjointed and confusing


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I stand by my "Nanny State" comment......for me the freedom to speak freely is a hard fought part of our life and to reply freely is also a hard fought, I for one am a little fed up with being told by a small minority who perhaps mistakingly think I need guidance to what I can and cannot say...……...…...and also to what I can read and not read!
Sorry if some take offence and I do have some sympathy with mods and admins but maybe letting members make their own minds up would in most cases be better, we are sensible adults after all. (of course offensive/racial/sexually inappropriate comment fall outside my argument and should be dealt with asap)
If anyone should want to put forward an argument as to why there should be censorship by the few for the many I welcome it.
As for the minefield of Marketplace may I suggest a "Feedback score" for members selling items...……..It works on ebay!...…….this would ensure members selling would have to keep high standards and provide a top service to maintain 100% ratings...any dispute should be resolved between the seller and the buyer of course but it would help members to judge on who to deal with....Draconian no common sense yes.
As to Hesketh's post ……..perhaps Louis can now see why I said its a minefield selling cars I would hope he sorts out the problems, after all he did say there shouldn't be any after his sales preparation and 500 mile road test...…...need I say anymore.
If anyone feels my comments are unhelpful or out of place, as I have said I feel it's my right to say what and how I feel......no offence is meant to any member, admin/mod team.......just my own view and opinion.
 
Wasn’t Ruby sold for around £750? An absolute banger price.

I have bought a car and on the drive home it has blown the gearbox ECU. No way anyone could have known and not the seller’s fault at all. The price was low and I took my chances.

I think we all approve of the spirit Louis’ idea to fix up and sell on cars but... he is a very young man and not a mechanic. Steve struggled with this same issue of things going wrong after a sale.

If you buy a car for very little money from someone who believes, in good faith and to the best of their experience, that it is a ‘good un’ then I think you maybe need to expect some potential issues. If unhappy, take it up with the seller and sort it out. If you exhaust that route then feel free to raise your issues on the forum and discuss.


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In the season's spirit of "good will to all men" (and boys), couldn't everyone just leave this thread to drift off into obscurity?

Anyway:
Season's Greetings to all A2OC members, and special thanks to the volunteers who make it work for the rest of us ?✨??

Regards Mac.
 
A2OC has, on many occasions, won awards and accolades for its inclusive, polite, familial atmosphere, as well as its content. Nobody wishes to sensor anyone, impose draconian rules or deny adults their nuanced judgement, but preserving the kindly atmosphere of A2OC is a high priority. Yes, sometimes it means that posts (perhaps only temporarily) disappear from public view, and that leaves the rest of us guessing what's going on, but I trust that things are appropriately handled behind the scenes by a diverse bunch of fair and principled volunteers.

In over ten years of A2OC membership, I've seen this matter come up time and time again. The marketplace is a necessary part of this car club, and nobody wishes to see it disappear, but it is also the greatest source of inter-member conflict and the greatest drain on moderator time. I've done stints as a moderator and have had many face-to-face group chats and thread discussions about this topic. Numerous models for the marketplace have been tried during my time here. Unfortunately, working within a surprisingly complex set of confines that aren't well understood by a majority of the membership, there is no single solution that suits everyone. The current model works better than any others I've known here. For all that I am no longer a moderator, and indeed I barely use the marketplace as a buyer or seller, my experience would make me highly reluctant to reopen this topic.

Cheers,

Tom
 
PlasticMac said:
In the season's spirit of "good will to all men" (and boys), couldn't everyone just leave this thread to drift off into obscurity?

Anyway:
Season's Greetings to all A2OC members, and special thanks to the volunteers who make it work for the rest of us ?✨??

Regards Mac.
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Quite right too. Happy Christmas.
 
Pinkythelabrat said:
Wasn’t Ruby sold for around £750? An absolute banger price.

I have bought a car and on the drive home it has blown the gearbox ECU. No way anyone could have known and not the seller’s fault at all. The price was low and I took my chances.

I think we all approve of the spirit Louis’ idea to fix up and sell on cars but... he is a very young man and not a mechanic. Steve struggled with this same issue of things going wrong after a sale.

If you buy a car for very little money from someone who believes, in good faith and to the best of their experience, that it is a ‘good un’ then I think you maybe need to expect some potential issues. If unhappy, take it up with the seller and sort it out. If you exhaust that route then feel free to raise your issues on the forum and discuss.


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I paid £700. It was my post which was removed pending the moderators decision. my gripe is with avoidable surprises and things not being as I understood. I don't want to get into to an argument with the moderators so I'll shut up for now.
 
Hesketh said:
I paid £700. It was my post which was removed pending the moderators decision. my gripe is with avoidable surprises and things not being as I understood. I don't want to get into to an argument with the moderators so I'll shut up for now.
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I understand your frustrations, but the moderators are here to help you as much as they are here to preserve the friendliness of the public forum. Keeping private disputes private is what they're trying to do.

As I'm sure you're aware, it is with Louis that you need to be in discussions. If you feel they're not constructive, I can imagine that one of the moderators will give of their time and attempt to understand all perspectives and ...well... act as a moderator. Perhaps you'd like to start a group conversation with Louis and one or more of the moderators. There'll be no favouritism.

All the best. I hope a mutually satisfactory outcome can be found for all.

Tom
 
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timmus said:
I understand your frustrations, but the moderators are here to help you as much as they are here to preserve the friendliness of the public forum. Keeping private disputes private is what they're trying to do.

As I'm sure you're aware, it is with Louis that you need to be in discussions. If you feel they're not constructive, I can imagine that one of the moderators will give of their time and attempt to understand all perspectives and ...well... act as a moderator. Perhaps you'd like to start a group conversation with Louis and one or more of the moderators. They'll be no favouritism.

All the best. I hope a mutually satisfactory outcome can be found for all.

Tom
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likewise :) . I am OK waiting for the moderators to suggest a course of action. I posted something judged too personal for a public forum. I recognise this. I wasn't trying to be nasty or vindictive. I have a few grumbles and some advice. Avoidable is what this situation was.
 
timmus said:
A2OC has, on many occasions, won awards and accolades for its inclusive, polite, familial atmosphere, as well as its content. Nobody wishes to sensor anyone, impose draconian rules or deny adults their nuanced judgement, but preserving the kindly atmosphere of A2OC is a high priority. Yes, sometimes it means that posts (perhaps only temporarily) disappear from public view, and that leaves the rest of us guessing what's going on, but I trust that things are appropriately handled behind the scenes by a diverse bunch of fair and principled volunteers.

In over ten years of A2OC membership, I've seen this matter come up time and time again. The marketplace is a necessary part of this car club, and nobody wishes to see it disappear, but it is also the greatest source of inter-member conflict and the greatest drain on moderator time. I've done stints as a moderator and have had many face-to-face group chats and thread discussions about this topic. Numerous models for the marketplace have been tried during my time here. Unfortunately, working within a surprisingly complex set of confines that aren't well understood by a majority of the membership, there is no single solution that suits everyone. The current model works better than any others I've known here. For all that I am no longer a moderator, and indeed I barely use the marketplace as a buyer or seller, my experience would make me highly reluctant to reopen this topic.

Cheers,

Tom
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Excellent points well said there Tom.

To be honest ANY marketplace is a minefield of widely differing opinions. My personal opinion on this point is that both the Mods were correct in looking at the post in the first place, and for restoring it after discussion. I am no more party to the nature of these discussions than any other normal member.

The poster of the comment was also perfectly within their rights to post the comment, (so I think the Nanny State comments were unjustified) however they should also understand, as always, "Buyer Beware" should be utmost in the minds of anybody new to a brand/model. At the end of the day Louis is a salesman (like myself) and feedback is important, especially when presented in a factually appropriate format, which I believe the poster did.

Ultimately the market will decide if Louis' venture is successful or not. I wish him well.
 
sciroccorrado said:
Excellent points well said there Tom.

To be honest ANY marketplace is a minefield of widely differing opinions. My personal opinion on this point is that both the Mods were correct in looking at the post in the first place, and for restoring it after discussion. I am no more party to the nature of these discussions than any other normal member.

The poster of the comment was also perfectly within their rights to post the comment, (so I think the Nanny State comments were unjustified) however they should also understand, as always, "Buyer Beware" should be utmost in the minds of anybody new to a brand/model. At the end of the day Louis is a salesman (like myself) and feedback is important, especially when presented in a factually appropriate format, which I believe the poster did.

Ultimately the market will decide if Louis' venture is successful or not. I wish him well.
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My Nanny State comments were aimed at the fact the original post was removed by admins (and could have possibly been seen as supporting Louis rather than Hesketh), not at the person who posted it...…………….
 
Moderators please shut this post before it gets out of hand please !!!

When I was selling Ruby I was more than helpful !!

I knew @Hesketh was coming 5 hrs away so I sent him a 7 minute video of walking round the car close up to paint and I also shown him the car running from cold and even shown him a video of under the bonnet

When he arrived yesterday I asked right do you want to take her for a test drive he replied No what surprised me as when I buy a car I always do a test drive !!!

What also surprised me he didn’t even look at the service history

All he did was sign the V5 and get in ruby and drive off !!!!

Any little (Niggles) the car had what I was aware of I told him everything I knew about her

Unfortunately for the Buyer he was expecting a brand new car for £700 !!!!

I said in the advert it would come with a Mint concert radio unfortunately Royal Mail did not deliver in time knowing it was 2nd class and I have been waiting 9 days for it

I have told the buyer when the radio arrives he is more than welcome to have it FREE OF CHARGE Don’t pay shipping or anything

If the radio turns up that is !!!

I have no hope for the radio arriving as Royal Mail have lost 5 things this December for me !!!!

All have a good Christmas and love you A2OC family
 
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