rocker cover and gasket

bobsimes

Member
just a word of warning on earlier a2 tdi's (could be others)
mine is a dec 2001 1.4tdi se

i recently had the head gasket changed and on getting the car back i noticed an oil leak from the rocker cover gasket, on taking it back to my local garage that did the work (not audi dealer) they informed me that the rocker cover gasket design has changed (after trying two different suppliers) and the replacement does not line up with my original rocker cover.

i was sceptical at first thinking they were just after a bit more money and contacted audi (3 different dealers) and GSF all could not find my rocker cover part number on the system and could not supply me with the old gasket, apparently the design change was made and the old rocker cover part no deleted.

result is a new rocker cover has to be purchased at £78 + £15 for the gasket

so if your rocker cover is being removed for any reason try to keep the gasket in good condition and it may be able to be replaced as they are that strong rubber type.

the other alternative is to silicone gasket the cover on where the revised gasket does not fit but after seeing the work needed to replace the cover gasket i would not trust it thats why i plumped for the new rocker cover (the garage did give me the option to do this).

just for info my rocker cover is part no 045103475b
the new cover is 045103469d

and the new rocker cover gasket is 045103483c


hope this assists someon e in the future.

simon
 

alanm

Member
Thanks for the info Simon. It's particularly disturbing as I thought it was an EU requirement that manufacturers are required to ensure that car parts have to be available for 10 years after the end of production of a car manufactured/sold within the EU.
 

Skipton01

Admin Team
That EU requirement is a popular myth - it's actually a 'reasonable period': what happens is that a manufacturer assesses the level of spares needed for each part from a car and then orders that number from the manufacturers, which in theory means that they'll have stocks for the forseeable.

This then means that a parts supplier can re-tool for new models and move on. Unfortunately, it also means than certain parts soon become very scarce very quickly!

Good info on the gasket though Bob.

Cheers,

Mike
 

alanm

Member
Thanks for the clarification Mike.

So, upshot is, if your A2 tdi needs a new cylinder head gasket - the parts cost is now £93 (plus vat?) and fitting.
 

Skipton01

Admin Team
Thanks for the clarification Mike.

So, upshot is, if your A2 tdi needs a new cylinder head gasket - the parts cost is now £93 (plus vat?) and fitting.

Plus the head gasket itself, around £50 if memory serves.

Cheers,

Mike
 

bobsimes

Member
and the rest!!!

head gasket and fitting at bmw/audi specialist £500 inc skimming, oil and coolant, + new audi rocker cover £78
 

garywoods

Member
Simon,

How badly did the new gasket not line up?

The reason i ask is when i replaced my rocker cover gasket a couple of years ago now i was convinced the new gasket didnt fit quite as snugly as the old one however it did all line and push in.

Was just wondering if it was a definate no fit, or a sloppy fit?

Cheers

Gary
 

bobsimes

Member
gasket line up

in reply to above

i am not sure as the mechanic rang me about it although it was enough of a gap for oil to piss out of the back of the rocker cover, i lost about a couple of tablespoons of oil in half a day (on drive after a run but could have been more)

anyway i have checked on getting the car back and it is indeed a new rocker cover.

touch wood my first "hellcar" a2 is now working fine.
since buying 4 weeks ago the following has been changed

cam belt, water pump & thermostat (would have done these anyway), rad cap, clutch, cylinder head gasket, rocker cover and gasket, front right wheel bearing. total cost £1100

so should be good for a few thousand miles now!!

bought the car for £3000 so not too bad for a 2002 tdi se.


simon
 

bretti_kivi

Member
Hmm, I wonder what a rocker cover would cost for a petrol... would look great polished and hi-temp clearcoated....

Bret
 

bobsimes

Member
rocker cover

imagine it would be about the same £78 ish, dont know if it would look that good though as the rocker cover cant be seen much, i did polish the cover on my old mx5 now that did look good!! however was a focal point on opening the engine as was the 6 pot 3l engine in my last car a new shape 5 series bmw, dont think i will be opening the bonnet on the a2 to show off the 3 pot diesel anytime soon!!
 

Fishman

A2OC Donor
Apologies for digging up an old thread but today I heard from depronman that the AMF rocker cover has been discontinued as it was problematic to seal and that for reliable sealing of the top of our 1.4TDi engines we should use the revised engine cover as fitted to the ATL & BHC engines.

I have looked for part numbers and they are all 045103469 with suffixes C, D & G.

Which is the one I need
 

Robin_Cox

Member
G is the only one of these that is still in production, however at the moment, the only availability is from Europe and they aren't cheap.

see - https://www.online-teile.com/audi-e...80feb299dba0c8e3bc2414a504&keywords=045103469

another place that has them is a skoda supply place -


the J part is equivalent to the G part. However, again, not cheap.

The various online parts places such as Autodoc and Buycarparts will just return the gasket if you search with this part number.

It would probably be an idea to not spread your request across multiple threads as original posters from a decade or more ago have in many cases moved on.
 

nick4tl

Member
G is the only one of these that is still in production, however at the moment, the only availability is from Europe and they aren't cheap.

see - https://www.online-teile.com/audi-e...80feb299dba0c8e3bc2414a504&keywords=045103469

another place that has them is a skoda supply place -


the J part is equivalent to the G part. However, again, not cheap.

The various online parts places such as Autodoc and Buycarparts will just return the gasket if you search with this part number.

It would probably be an idea to not spread your request across multiple threads as original posters from a decade or more ago have in many cases moved on.
Hi Robin,
So would a solution for someone with the old AMF rocker cover that needs replacing now be to buy a later revision second hand rocker cover (for the BHC or ATL engine) and a new gasket?
Im currently getting my head gasket replaced and there already was a small leak down the back of the engine from beneath the cover.
Thanks
Nick
 

Robin_Cox

Member
If you get the brand new rocker cover, it comes with an integrated gasket of the correct type (or at least the OEM one as linked above did). However, searching for the part number for the lid also usually brings up umpteen links to purchase the new-style gasket which doesn't apparently work that well with the old-style lids, so searching for these online can be quite frustrating - the most recent link I found that works is still that skoda-parts link above, and they are twice what I paid when I got the last one at deutsche parts.
 

nick4tl

Member
I was thinking a second hand lid from another 3 cylinder 1422cc engine (a polo maybe) could be a solution. These can be had for about €25 it seems from breakers. But Im not certain how to work out what engine codes would have the correct lid.
 

A2Z

A2OC Donor
Having recently taken the rocker cover off our late model amf to get to the fuel injection wiring harness (first time it's been off), I personally believe the reason a lot if not all amf's suffer the leak from the right rear (which our car showed slight evidence of) is due to the bolts at the rear not being in the corners like they are at the front and so not quite applying enough pressure to make a 100% seal, maybe due to them loosening or stretching over time?

If the rocker cover has been off previously then it could also be due to that far right bolt not having been tightened properly as it's a bit of a pig to get to, having to use a 1/4" wobble socket and not possible to be torqued to the correct setting with a torque wrench due to the lack of access.

I was actually planning on replacing the rocker cover gasket (along with the wiring harness too) but thankfully didn't need either in the end as when i inspected it it was in perfect condition and is a thick almost silicone feeling rubber seal that I just cleaned thoroughly, taking care around the bolt holes not to damage the seal and then put it all back together again.

My common sense solution to the previous leak was to partially tighten all of the bolts then correctly torque all the one's I could get to (10nm from memory but check that) and then gently nipped them up evenly a fraction more to ensure a good seal and tightened the one'sat the rear to the same feel.

This was probably a couple of months ago and after degreasing the area thoroughly at the time now shows no evidence of any leaking and thankfully no injector wiring harness issues either after having tightened the connections onto the injectors, two of which were loose (touching wood) 🤞😂👍
 

donp38

Member
A2Z...I fully agree.
I have needed to change bot rocker cover and gasket to reseal the top as the original cover had curled up at the ends over time....
A surprising and disappointing design in my view..
 

philward

A2OC Donor
I had this problem years ago with a 2003 AMF. The gasket is reusable but I made the mistake of buying new. The new available gasket does not fit and the original by then binned was NLA.
The fix was a new cam cover which came with a second new design gasket. The revised cover suppresses noise from the engine much better than the old. But it still leaked oil. These things have to be fitted as in the manual. There is liquid sealant to apply and a tightening sequence for the screws. To get over the top of two of them with a torque wrench the EGR valve has to come off.
You will need the revised cover and a gasket or an original used gasket some engine silicone, the tightening torque and sequence and an EGR valve gasket.
If the leak is still on the right rear corner after all of that switch your attention to the tandem pump.
 
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