ULEZ and the A2

[Kramretsimis]

Can anyone in the club tell me which model is exempt from the Ultra low emission zone, charge ULEZ I’ve got a nephew driving into the zone every workday and he’s looking towards getting a A2, I need or rather he needs the definitive answer, I’ve been told the 1.4 petrol, but if I enter that onto the tfL site it says there’s a charge for this model, !!!!!!

 

[Sarge]

The 1.4i Petrol from 2001 onwards or the 1.6FSi 'should' be OK.
TFL won't accept A2's before 2001 as it doesn't show the emissions on the log book so even though the 1.4i Petrol engine AUA engine is the same before and after 2001, till later, they won't accept it.

Please double check what I said as TFL are totally unreliable.

 

[RAB]

Any A2 petrol built before 2001 (and after) will meet the EU4 standard. Pre-March 2001 cars don't show the emission standards because the CoC only became mandatory on that date. A CoC can be obtained FOC from Audi. Use that to get your V5 updated. See:

Leeds clean air zone

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www.a2oc.net

I'm having similar problems persuading DVLA that our 1999 Lupo 3L and 2001 A2 1.2Tdi are both EU4 (diesel), even though they have the emission values on the V5! Their reasoning: "a 1999 EU4 diesel? Naaaah!" Wrong!

RAB

 

[PlasticMac]

Any A2 petrol built before 2001 (and after) will meet the EU4 standard. Pre-March 2001 cars don't show the emission standards because the CoC only became mandatory on that date. A CoC can be obtained FOC from Audi. Use that to get your V5 updated. See:

Leeds clean air zone

Hi all, I'm not sure how many of you out there in Leeds and it's area but I heard they want to do the same thing like in London. Government decided to take congestion charges for buses, lorries, taxis in the past few years. Now I heard they want to charge for private cars as well. Since my...

www.a2oc.net

I'm having similar problems persuading DVLA that our 1999 Lupo 3L and 2001 A2 1.2Tdi are both EU4 (diesel), even though they have the emission values on the V5! Their reasoning: "a 1999 EU4 diesel? Naaaah!" Wrong!

RAB

Audi will send you the Certificate of Conformance for your car, but the C of C does not include Euro 4 compliance. Audi will also supply an emissions statement, which does confirm Euro 4 (for petrol A2s). You can send the C of C, and emissions statement to DVLA (and Birmingham, Bath, Leeds etc).
They all have facility to upload pdfs, and Audi will email pdfs of all docs to you, as well as paper copies by post.
Mac.

 

[RAB]

Audi will send you the Certificate of Conformance for your car, but the C of C does not include Euro 4 compliance. Audi will also supply an emissions statement, which does confirm Euro 4 (for petrol A2s). You can send the C of C, and emissions statement to DVLA (and Birmingham, Bath, Leeds etc).
They all have facility to upload pdfs, and Audi will email pdfs of all docs to you, as well as paper copies by post.
Mac.

The CoC proves the EU compliance with the emission values, if the V5 doesn't show the latter.

RAB

 

[PlasticMac]

The CoC proves the EU compliance with the emission values, if the V5 doesn't show the latter.

RAB

Here's the C of C for my FSI, no mention of Euro 4. Because it was not a requirement at the time, 2004, in my case.
The emissions statement is, (imo) the key here.
Mac.

 

[RAB]

Here's the C of C for my FSI, no mention of Euro 4. Because it was not a requirement at the time, 2004, in my case.
The emissions statement is, (imo) the key here.
Mac.

The CoC never shows EUx but if you look carefully, it does show the emission values which determine EUx.

Standards here:

European emission standards

en.wikipedia.org

RAB

 

[PlasticMac]

The CoC never shows EUx but if you look carefully, it does show the emission values which determine EUx.

Standards here:

European emission standards

en.wikipedia.org

RAB

@RAB
The DVLA is black and white. If the documents do not specifically state Euro 4 compliance,that will be that (imo).
Here's what Audi stated, in response to my C of C request :

"... Please note due to vehicles age the EU is not shown on the COC, please find attached letter stating EU 4 for vehicle... "

Mac.

 

[RAB]

@RAB


"... Please note due to vehicles age the EU is not shown on the COC, please find attached letter stating EU 4 for vehicle... "

I don't think that that is correct. If it was due to age, why doesn't your CoC show EU3? None of my CoCs show any EU value. In Germany, any Lupo 3L gets a green plakette and it can only do so because it is EU4.

My V5s do show EU4 compliance, plain and simple, but only due to submitting a CoC.

To make life simple (for them), the DVLA looks at the date when the vehicle was registered (or built) and ask themselves what the required EU emission level was on that date. But all car companies would have had been building cars to that standard before that date, otherwise they would have been left with unsaleable cars. An identical car made before that date has the same EU emission standard as one made after and that standard is determined by the CoC, nothing else.

RAB

 

[PlasticMac]

This is my last post on this subject (hooray!).
Vehicles sold from 2006 on had to have a minimum of Euro 3, so their documents (inc V5 in UK) will show the Euro emissions standard, Euro 3 or Euro 4 at that time.
For vehicles sold prior to 2006, there was no requirement to meet the Euro emissions standard, (although many, like the petrol A2, did), therefore, their documentation, (inc V5 in UK) did not include the emissions standard.
In UK, if you have a pre 2006 car, which meets Euro 4, you ask the manufacturer for C of C and Euro 4 letter, then submit those documents to DVLA, (or the local authority who's Low Emissions Zone you wish to use without charge) and they will update their database, and you're good to (boldly) go.
No idea about the Germans (other foreign countries are available).
Mac.

 

[Philip]

Remember that the requirements of ULEZ are Euro 4 (NOx) for petrols and Euro 6 (NOx and PM) for diesels - so for a petrol, what you need to show is official confirmation that NOx emissions are 0.08g/km or under.

 

[RAB]

Vehicles sold from 2006 on had to have a minimum of Euro 3, so their documents (inc V5 in UK) will show the Euro emissions standard, Euro 3 or Euro 4 at that time.

Any vehicle registered after January 2001 had to comply with Euro 3.

For vehicles sold prior to 2006, there was no requirement to meet the Euro emissions standard, (although many, like the petrol A2, did), therefore, their documentation, (inc V5 in UK) did not include the emissions standard.

Vehicles registered before 2006 had to comply with Euro 1, 2 or 3. The required dates for Euro 1 and 2 are January 1993 and January 1997 respectively.

In UK, if you have a pre 2006 car, which meets Euro 4, you ask the manufacturer for C of C and Euro 4 letter, then submit those documents to DVLA, (or the local authority who's Low Emissions Zone you wish to use without charge) and they will update their database, and you're good to (boldly) go.

When the DVLA phoned me, there was no mention of a manufacturer's letter; they just asked for my V5s, which I sent them. Why would you need a letter when the CoC gives the required information?

RAB

 

[RAB]

This all you need from here:

European emission standards

en.wikipedia.org

European emission standards for passenger cars (Category M)*, g/km

Tier	Date (Type Approval)	Date (First Registration)	CO	THC	VOC	NO x	HC+NO x	P	PN [#/km]
Diesel
Euro 1†	July 1992	January 1993	2.72 (3.16)	-	-	-	0.97 (1.13)	0.14 (0.18)	-
Euro 2	January 1996	January 1997	1.0	-	-	-	0.7	0.08	-
Euro 3	January 2000	January 2001	0.66	-	-	0.50	0.56	0.05	-
Euro 4	January 2005	January 2006	0.50	-	-	0.25	0.30	0.025	-
Euro 5a	September 2009	January 2011	0.50	-	-	0.180	0.230	0.005	-
Euro 5b	September 2011	January 2013	0.50	-	-	0.180	0.230	0.0045	6×1011
Euro 6b	September 2014	September 2015	0.50	-	-	0.080	0.170	0.0045	6×1011
Euro 6c	-	September 2018	0.50	-	-	0.080	0.170	0.0045	6×1011
Euro 6d-Temp	September 2017	September 2019	0.50	-	-	0.080	0.170	0.0045	6×1011
Euro 6d	January 2020	January 2021	0.50	-	-	0.080	0.170	0.0045	6×1011
Petrol (Gasoline)
Euro 1†	July 1992	January 1993	2.72 (3.16)	-	-	-	0.97 (1.13)	-	-
Euro 2	January 1996	January 1997	2.2	-	-	-	0.5	-	-
Euro 3	January 2000	January 2001	2.3	0.20	-	0.15	-	-	-
Euro 4	January 2005	January 2006	1.0	0.10	-	0.08	-	-	-
Euro 5a	September 2009	January 2011	1.0	0.10	0.068	0.060	-	0.005**	-
Euro 5b	September 2011	January 2013	1.0	0.10	0.068	0.060	-	0.0045**	-
Euro 6b	September 2014	September 2015	1.0	0.10	0.068	0.060	-	0.0045**	6×1011***
Euro 6c	-	September 2018	1.0	0.10	0.068	0.060	-	0.0045**	6×1011
Euro 6d-Temp	September 2017	September 2019	1.0	0.10	0.068	0.060	-	0.0045**	6×1011
Euro 6d	January 2020	January 2021	1.0	0.10	0.068	0.060	-	0.0045**	6×1011
Petrol (Gasoline) and Diesel
Euro 7[15](proposed)	2025[16]	2025[16]	0.1 to 0.3[17]			0.030[17]
* Before Euro 5, passenger vehicles > 2500 kg were type approved as light commercial vehicles N1 Class I ** Applies only to vehicles with direct injection engines *** 6×1012/km within first three years from Euro 6b effective dates † Values in parentheses are conformity of production (COP) limits

RAB

 

[PlasticMac]

Text from Audi's letter:

05 March 2021

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

MODEL Audi A2

CHASSIS NUMBER WAUZZZ8Z75N000640

I hereby declare that the vehicle with the above Chassis Number
meets EU4 compliance.


Yours Sincerely

Mick Jackson
Homologation Specialist
Vehicle Compliance Department
Volkswagen Group UK Ltd

Simples!
Mac.

 

[RAB]

I've just received my green plakette from Berlin for my 2001 A2 1.2Tdi. The only document submitted (online) was my V5. Is this the first without going down the TUV Bamberg/D4 route?

Why can the Germans decide that my A2 is EU4/D4 from a V5 and the DVLA cannot, using their own document?

RAB

 

[bretti_kivi]

If Berlin knows from elsewhere that the D4-Schlüssel is valid, then they will allow you a green Plakette. Because the Bamberg route was possible because someone read the numbers, understood their implications, and followed through. They will probably have read from the VIN the results rather than anything else, but their exact decision process is opaque IMO.

 

[bretti_kivi]

For those not-quite-following along at home: the green Plakette is necessary in many German cities. I have one, too. You normally apply with your VIN and if it's EU4 or better, you get the green sticker. EU3 will give you yellow (so for example an AMF will get yellow). Cost locally is €5 or so. But you need one before you travel.
1.2s are interesting beasties in this context, because they are EU4-compliant at the numbers level without actually having official compliance. As in the numbers on the CoC are sufficient to get them into the EU4 emissions band, but for some reason Audi did not go and get this certification. Bamberg TÜV was the first to realise this and allow 1.2 owners to get green stickers, which is why it's mentioned above.

 

[RAB]

Isn't it the vehicle class 46 that means that you would get a yellow if you applied with a CoC only? Shouldn't it be 55? I applied some time ago with a CoC and got a yellow, which is why I used the V5 this time.

RAB

 

[maxufeiss]

received my green plakette from Berlin for my 2001 A2 1.2Tdi

For reference, do you have basic 3l or with climate + power steering?

My understanding was that D4 marked ones get a little better treatment. Might also misunderstand. My 2001 is marked as EU3 under passenger floormat (climate, PS, 3,2l/100 avg). Have no knowledge, but if true 3L (3,0l/100) is marked as EU3+D4 or something, then that marking might be good lubricant in Germany's paperwork.
There seems to be no clear marking on boot/service book sticker also, just states: 45KW (empty) A5S 09/01.
While my A8 has: 169KW /EU3 A5 06/97 on same line.

 

[RAB]

Climate + power steering. I also have an option code for EU3. My CoC shows the emission levels for EU4. EU3 was Audi's mistake. In Germany, to get a green plakette, you need a D4 certificate and the only source for that is TUV Bamberg, as far as I know. I just sent my registration document which shows the emission levels for EU4. In the past I have applied using the CoC but I only got a yellow. Maybe Berlin now knows about D4 and Bamberg. I'm sure that I could apply to another city and get a yellow!

RAB