Audi puts A1 in doubt but will revive A2 as an EV

[QuattroA2]

how many miles does i3 normally do on one charge - plus minus, that is...

We get 115-120 for real world urban driving. However, if you boot it on the motorway, you’ll soon get range anxiety...

 

[Alan_uk]

and how many miles does i3 normally do on one charge - plus minus, that is...

Depends on model, time of year, weather, how driven.

According to https://ev-database.uk/car/1145/BMW-i3-120-Ah the 120Ah model (the latest but surely due for a final increase before production ends) is

Highway - Cold Weather

100 mi

Highway - Mild Weather

130 mi

to

City - Cold Weather

145 mi

City - Mild Weather

225 m

Highway = motorway.

ndication of real-world range in several situations. Cold weather: 'worst-case' based on -10°C and use of heating. Mild weather: 'best-case' based on 23°C and no use of A/C. The actual range will depend on speed, style of driving, weather and route conditions.

If the Winter Highway was 25% better I would be tempted to jump ship Year old low mileage models from main dealers are around £25k

 

[andrewparkeruk]

Scirocco and Corado were Golf with different body as well...

My MkI Scirocco (1983) was very agricultural: I never enjoyed driving it. It had a very British Leyland “parts bin” feel about it

 

[Guest 4123]

Back to my point, it would be nice to see Audi do the same again and squeeze 100kWh ish into an A2 EV, maximise aero performance, minimise weight etc. Take the MEB platform and push it to its limits.

They already have! They are called Q4/Q5. I don't think a converted A2 would cope with the weight!

RAB

 

[Skipton01]

The problem with the A1 as an EV is size; it will be too limited in range. With current battery technology, longer range means a larger car.

RAB

Not necessarily true - the Zöe is almost the same size as an A1, to the millimetre. However as Audi can't make an efficient EV yet, they'd probably only get around 80-90 miles range, which nobody would (rightly) consider as viable to plow vast sums of money into.

 

[Guest 4123]

Yes, the Zoe is an exception. At the time I bought my ID3, there wasn't much difference in price, so it was an easy choice. At the moment, Audi/VW don't have a platform for an A1-sized EV but they will next year.

RAB

 

[Skipton01]

So the Fiat 500e and e-Corsa are also exceptions. Both are actually smaller than an A1, but yet can get over 150 miles in certain configurations according to EV DB. Oh and the e-208 and Mini E. The Mokka E is another exception as is the DS3 E-Tense. There's a lot of exceptions really.

All it serves to show is that Audi and VW as a group are lazy designers, poor at packaging, but great at leveraging cash from the public. And I'm not pointing this out to specifically deride Audi/VWs efforts, the other legacy manufacturers are just as bad, witness the efforts from Mercedes and how BMW have backtracked from their initial decent efforts.

Audi should be barred from using their Vorsprung slogan now, as they've not shown any advancement through technology for many years. Is it any coincidence that Luc Donckerwolke, the A2 designer, is now the design chief of design for Ioniq, producing such amazing cars as the 5 and 6? I think not!

 

[Guest 4123]

So the Fiat 500e and e-Corsa are also exceptions. Both are actually smaller than an A1, but yet can get over 150 miles in certain configurations according to EV DB. Oh and the e-208 and Mini E. The Mokka E is another exception as is the DS3 E-Tense. There's a lot of exceptions really.

240 to 150 miles is a big step! In that case, you should add the current E-Up. 150 miles would be insufficient for me, especially for France, where there are large gaps in charger availability.

RAB

 

[Skipton01]

It is indeed, but no mention of longer ranges was made prior to this. I therefore reasonably considered cars which can give a good 2 hours of motorway service, before needing a recharge, or around 150 miles.

But again, there's nothing south of £50k approx which Audi sells that meets or exceeds your range requirements. If it's european range which is the main requirement, then a Tesla M3 should really have been the main choice, as it enjoys the best network without question and only costs around £4k more than the ID.3, but actually total cost of ownership costs less when depreciation is accounted for.

 

[Guest 4123]

It is indeed, but no mention of longer ranges was made prior to this. I therefore reasonably considered cars which can give a good 2 hours of motorway service, before needing a recharge, or around 150 miles.

The Zoe has a range of up to 240 miles.

But again, there's nothing south of £50k approx which Audi sells that meets or exceeds your range requirements.

That's why I didn't buy an Audi.

If it's european range which is the main requirement, then a Tesla M3 should really have been the main choice, as it enjoys the best network without question and only costs around £4k more than the ID.3, but actually total cost of ownership costs less when depreciation is accounted for.

I payed just over £30k for my ID3 (ex-demo). A Tesla Model 3 is now from £42.5k.

RAB

 

[carbore]

The e-Up is, to me a very A2 like proposition 150miles range is fine for the "small city car" class IMO. For me it would do everything I have my A2 for (bar the fact my A2 cost me £250 to buy)

BUT my A2 (or e-UP if I changed) isnt the big family car, my wife has a mid spec Kia EV6 with fast charging that beats teslas and 300miles range (43k list prince I think).

 

[Skipton01]

And a 2020 ex demo M3 would have set you back around £35k - more initial outlay but far higher residuals than any other EV, inc the Enyaq

 

[audifan]

Getting so sick and tired of all these threads now continually getting side tracked. Either stick to the topic or START A NEW THREAD.

 

[carbore]

Sorry ,im not meaning to go off topic.

I think my point is that Audi were bitten in the past with the A2 is that the market wasnt ready for a "premium small car", the mindset of the time was small cars should be cheap, big cars should be luxurious.

The EV market is possibly different, we undoubtedly paid a premium for our EV6 over the 9 year old Sportage it replaced, but currently the market seems to take electric as a bit of a premium over an ICE car in the same class e.g ID3 is in my opinion a Golf (medium hatch) class. I think its perfectly feasible that Audi could base a premium small electric on a Retro Styled A2 as long as it can be a bit different to the BMW I3 which has a fair few A2 feelings about it (not that I have driven or sat in one)

 

[Skipton01]

Getting so sick and tired of all these threads now continually getting side tracked. Either stick to the topic or START A NEW THREAD.

Ok, so what do you want to hear about the topic? It's a story that's at least 10 years old now - that the A2 will be re-born as an EV. So far, it's not happened. If it does, it'll be at least £30K and will be nothing like an original A2, but will just be a smaller Q4 and will feel no different to any other Audi from the drivers seat.

Audi have said they want at least 25 EVs in their range by the end of the decade, but they'll all just be tweaks of other models (what length would sir like his Audi EV to be? Would you like to pay £1000 for a slightly more grey paint than the standard grey? Would you care for a contrasting stitch to your 'leather' upholstery? etc etc).

Unless you're willing to pay north of £80k, you'll never get an Audi EV which can do more than around 120mph or 7+ seconds 0-60 (so the autobahns should be less dangerous possibly), they'll never be as spacious as less 'legacy' manufacturers and doubtless they'll still sell in bucketloads to those who can't see beyond the self-generated hype.