But Aluminium is infinitely recyclable. So once you have it it never goes away!
Steel is also recyclable. But yes, and is there one thing you must recycle at home, it is exactly aluminium, forget the rest.
But Aluminium is infinitely recyclable. So once you have it it never goes away!
Indeed, in the main but not infinite.Steel is also recyclable. But yes, and is there one thing you must recycle at home, it is exactly aluminium, forget the rest.
It does not make it greener the fact that I have 'tried one'In all terms compared to ICE. Norway has had this discussion for years now; EVs are more green than ICE.
ICE is stoneage technology. Try an EV and you will never go back.
I travelled 1700 miles in my model 3 last week and I'd do it again. First journey was from Fife to Torquay in one day. Imo took no longer than ice unless you don't like to eat or go to the toilet in an 8 hour journeyIt does not make it greener the fact that I have 'tried one'
Try and do 500 miles mainly on motorways in one day and you will run back to ICE..
Ladies and gentlemen I think healthy debate is good but and I understand we all have biases as we are all human. However I think the concept of Life Cycle Analysis has not been fully understood from the article I referenced. And do note this is not an article written by a party with vested interests, it has been produced by Green NCAP as an independent impartial body.Hydrogen is nowhere at the moment. It costs way more in energy to produce (and is expensive to buy) that it gives back and will likely only be earmarked for HGV / Buses etc not cars. Ironically a lot of what is produced today is via fossill fuels and when you think about it thats mad given you'd likely be more efficient just refining the fuel and putting it directly into the vehicle.
To answer above i've actually heard that EVs overtake ICE cars easily by around 5k miles, and thats without any arguments around localised pollution, particulates / NOX etc.
No ones mentioned the cost to bring oil out of the ground, move it around, refine (with all the energy that needs) then move around again. Its fairly horrendous but people tend to forget this.
I’m not sure its fun to be honest. It feels very Covid-era Trump in the debating style.This is fun...I hope you all agree..
I am impressed...how long did it take you?I travelled 1700 miles in my model 3 last week and I'd do it again. First journey was from Fife to Torquay in one day. Imo took no longer than ice unless you don't like to eat or go to the toilet in an 8 hour journey
I didn't time it tbh but looking back no more than around 10 hours maybe? Had to stop a few times as we had 2 dogs with us - where we could we timed it with half hour charges (2 required), and i think another couple of shorter stops.I am impressed...how long did it take you?
Nothing to stop you doing so but you will only be able to charge at 5 to 6 amps, depending on your system. VW did have a intended domestic charger that would have had an option to charge from solar only but seems to have disappeared. So manual control only.There's never any mention of recharging electric cars from a solar source? Why is that? There's lots of sun here, at the moment and I only occasionally use my car. ideal, then, for it to be being charged for free!
That's a statement that's clearly not based on experience!Try and do 500 miles mainly on motorways in one day and you will run back to ICE..
Rab.Nothing to stop you doing so but you will only be able to charge at 5 to 6 amps, depending on your system. VW did have a intended domestic charger that would have had an option to charge from solar only but seems to have disappeared. So manual control only.
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That's a statement that's clearly not based on experience!
RAB
The article which looks at the LCA is based on 16 years of running a car with an average mileage ~9k miles/year.
not meaning to nit-pick but home chargers are up to 7KW charge rate typically (about 30 amps@220V) single phase. 3 phase can go to 22kW, but the car needs to support that and most dont. And most houses dont (but farms do!)Nothing to stop you doing so but you will only be able to charge at 5 to 6 amps, depending on your system. VW did have a intended domestic charger that would have had an option to charge from solar only but seems to have disappeared. So manual control only.
I was commenting on charging from solar only.not meaning to nit-pick but home chargers are up to 7KW charge rate typically (about 30 amps@220V) single phase. 3 phase can go to 22kW, but the car needs to support that and most dont. And most houses dont (but farms do!)
That's exactly why the article is more about power generation than EVs.Whats interesting in the article's source Green NCAP are the figures used for energy. The ID.3 they choose a 23% renewable energy whereas for the Fiat 500e it's 25%. Presumably they are choosing the renewable energy mix in the country of manufacture. So over 16 years of electricity use from a 23% renewable grid, I'm sure the EV is only marginally "greener" than a diesel car. But that figure seems entirely arbitrary.
Whats off is that Germanys figure is over 50% clean for electricity production and the EU 27 average is about 66%
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Even Ireland, historically a laggard in renewables, was over 40% last year.
From the report itself:No it's not, it's about the LCA - Life Cycle Assessment, i.e. measuring and comparing the full impact cradle to grave from manufacturing to end of life disposal.