Tomscar
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I would love some insider knowledge too, I have a home recording set up that could be better ?
The Great Music and Hi-Fi thread.
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timmus
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The chap who owns this studio is a fan of 1960s design. Alas, there's no evidence that having lava lamps near your Genelec monitors increases their clarity
Sadly, no photos of my audio system are available because it's all dismantled at the moment. It'll be a few months until it's all back together again because there's a loft conversion underway and I don't want anything filled with building dust!
I do indeed wear size 12s! Having read your comments last night, I couldn't leave a fellow noise boy on his own.
Same here, pal.
Indeed, you are right, though we both know that the directionality that results isn't a property of the material but simply its manufacture being incomplete. As doubtless you're aware, sometimes dropping the shield at one end of the cable makes sense, but that's always done due to earthing considerations.
I'm glad my post has proved interesting and informative to many. One thing is sure, there's plenty of audio enthusiasm within A2OC.
Right ....no more touching a keyboard again today. I'm in danger of overdoing it.
Cheers, Tom
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greywolfhound
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I get the feeling this topic now well and truly done after that nuclear bomb landed ...?The chap who owns this studio is a fan of 1960s design. Alas, there's no evidence that having lava lamps near your Genelec monitors increases their clarity
Sadly, no photos of my audio system are available because it's all dismantled at the moment. It'll be a few months until it's all back together again because there's a loft conversion underway and I don't want anything filled with building dust!
I do indeed wear size 12s! Having read your comments last night, I couldn't leave a fellow noise boy on his own.
Same here, pal.
Indeed, you are right, though we both know that the directionality that results isn't a property of the material but simply its manufacture being incomplete. As doubtless you're aware, sometimes dropping the shield at one end of the cable makes sense, but that's always done due to earthing considerations.
I'm glad my post has proved interesting and informative to many. One thing is sure, there's plenty of audio enthusiasm within A2OC.
Right ....no more touching a keyboard again today. I'm in danger of overdoing it.
Cheers, Tom
Vorsprung durch Technik
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Well that felt like a public lynching, with "likes" cheering from the sidelines, from the Recording fraternity to the Hifi loons. I find it surprising as these very same alchemists, quacks, loony bins have produced some astonishing equipment over time that then go back into recording studios as monitors amplifiers etc. Chicken Egg or is it Egg chicken?? ?
These B&W 801 that some one quoted sounded interesting. So after googling for a review are some of the very best speakers out there dating back from 1987 up untill they discontinued them. Top quality speakers from the late eighties through the 90's are absolute sonic bargains today if bought from a one caring owner and hence why i thought it's relevant to a thread like this for those interested. Even certain much cheaper stuff present as sonic bargains so all relevant.
I've been either miss read or miss quoted on both occasions in subsequent posts where it was said i spent £1k on speakers cables and being called a a loony for doing it.If that makes me over sensitive then so be it but lets face it going around calling people names isn't on! To clarify i spent £200 inc post so £190 of ebay equates to a very nice bargain! That equates for a 6 meter pair to £15.83 a meter so i'll take that as being bang on with what one of the recording Gurus states he spent on his speaker cables.
I only have 3 Chord Chorus power cables as they're rather expensive for what they are and you get fed up always looking for the bargains but need to get back hunting as i need another. These are roughly £200 a metre and i think discontinued now but i managed to buy them for £90 a pop and if it makes me happy all well and good. I can hear the difference so thats all that matters, however to go further is impractical and there is most definitely a point where your just throwing good money away for the sake of it.
So, ......we were having a nice time here in this thread and that was the reason it was set up to swap and exchange ideas, learn and to swap music within the forum that was my only intension. I love to discover good music others might have i don't, as this is what Hi fi and music means to me and has done for decades. there are always improvements how ever small that can and do make all the difference, and as we are only here for a short time we might as well have good time!
One very overlooked improvement is making sure all interconnects male and female are kept clean as this degrades sound quality. In case any of you thought i was being conceited in mentioning prices, as this is what was jumped upon, not a bit of it so please don't think so!! Prices were mentioned in response to (greywolfhound) when he said you can get some amazing bargains out there if you look hard enough. He's right, I would have thought that to be useful to the audience in this thread. We all love good info, whatever we buy including our very expensive little Aluminium friends the A2.
Peace to all.
Mark.
These B&W 801 that some one quoted sounded interesting. So after googling for a review are some of the very best speakers out there dating back from 1987 up untill they discontinued them. Top quality speakers from the late eighties through the 90's are absolute sonic bargains today if bought from a one caring owner and hence why i thought it's relevant to a thread like this for those interested. Even certain much cheaper stuff present as sonic bargains so all relevant.
I've been either miss read or miss quoted on both occasions in subsequent posts where it was said i spent £1k on speakers cables and being called a a loony for doing it.If that makes me over sensitive then so be it but lets face it going around calling people names isn't on! To clarify i spent £200 inc post so £190 of ebay equates to a very nice bargain! That equates for a 6 meter pair to £15.83 a meter so i'll take that as being bang on with what one of the recording Gurus states he spent on his speaker cables.
I only have 3 Chord Chorus power cables as they're rather expensive for what they are and you get fed up always looking for the bargains but need to get back hunting as i need another. These are roughly £200 a metre and i think discontinued now but i managed to buy them for £90 a pop and if it makes me happy all well and good. I can hear the difference so thats all that matters, however to go further is impractical and there is most definitely a point where your just throwing good money away for the sake of it.
So, ......we were having a nice time here in this thread and that was the reason it was set up to swap and exchange ideas, learn and to swap music within the forum that was my only intension. I love to discover good music others might have i don't, as this is what Hi fi and music means to me and has done for decades. there are always improvements how ever small that can and do make all the difference, and as we are only here for a short time we might as well have good time!
One very overlooked improvement is making sure all interconnects male and female are kept clean as this degrades sound quality. In case any of you thought i was being conceited in mentioning prices, as this is what was jumped upon, not a bit of it so please don't think so!! Prices were mentioned in response to (greywolfhound) when he said you can get some amazing bargains out there if you look hard enough. He's right, I would have thought that to be useful to the audience in this thread. We all love good info, whatever we buy including our very expensive little Aluminium friends the A2.
Peace to all.
Mark.
Hi Mark, I am obviously the cable numpty here so I wouldn't worry about it!
I still use my DPA 50S Pre, Power and Phono stage together my 15" Tannoy Dual Concentric speakers in Berkeley Cabinets. The amplifiers have just been serviced by the man who actually built them - his initials are on the pcbs! The drive units need to have their foam surrounds done.
So your comment regarding top quality kit from the 80's and 90's does seem valid.
If anyone knows of some Arden or Lockwood cabinets, please let me know
I still use my DPA 50S Pre, Power and Phono stage together my 15" Tannoy Dual Concentric speakers in Berkeley Cabinets. The amplifiers have just been serviced by the man who actually built them - his initials are on the pcbs! The drive units need to have their foam surrounds done.
So your comment regarding top quality kit from the 80's and 90's does seem valid.
If anyone knows of some Arden or Lockwood cabinets, please let me know
Vorsprung durch Technik
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Thanks mate, your system sounds very nice and thats a nice touch with his initials on the pcbs.?
Pinkythelabrat
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In case it didn’t come across I was only cheering the case of physical science and practical impacts of design versus advertising and marketing. My likes were in no way meant to cause any offence or upset.
I have a tin ear and my singer wife and 5 year old have both banned me from singing and choosing what music is played.
If your system makes you happy and it feels good for you to do something a certain way then let the music play!
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I have a tin ear and my singer wife and 5 year old have both banned me from singing and choosing what music is played.
If your system makes you happy and it feels good for you to do something a certain way then let the music play!
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Vorsprung durch Technik
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In case it didn’t come across I was only cheering the case of physical science and practical impacts of design versus advertising and marketing. My likes were in no way meant to cause any offence or upset.
I have a tin ear and my singer wife and 5 year old have both banned me from singing and choosing what music is played.
If your system makes you happy and it feels good for you to do something a certain way then let the music play!
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I appreciate your thoughts and taken graciously thanks. ?
There's no need for anyone to apologise in case any one else feels like that so please don't. I've drawn a line under it now so lets just move on and enjoy the fun.
timmus
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Hi Mark,
There was certainly no intention to personally attack any individual in my first post in this thread. As the starter of this thread, however, I can understand if you somehow felt as though you were being addressed. I can't deny that I pulled no punches and wrote without restraint, but my target was pseudoscience, not people. As Alex has said above, I think the 'likes' were in support of science rather than a ganging-up against any individuals. Many of the people who hit the 'like' button were those who had earlier admitted to having invested (either financially or just intellectually) in the very thing I sought to debunk.
Perhaps I've missed something, but I can't find an instance of name-calling.
I fall into both these categories. In talking about the modification of my house, I tried to demonstrate that I am most definitely a HiFi loon! However, I'm also a graduate physicist whose mind had been trained to be sceptical. I cannot suspend what I know to be true or false in favour of what I'd personally like to believe.
This is undoubtedly true. The HiFi industry has developed lots of great equipment, like amps, DACs, and speakers, that have subsequently been used in studios. Indeed, B&W (who make the aforementioned Abbey Road Studios speakers) are originally a HiFi company whose products were so good that studios all over the world adopted them. But, crucially, all the HiFi-derived equipment that is held in high regard within recording circles is precisely that: equipment, not cables. My original post within this thread takes aim not at funky CD players, super-isolated turntables or alternative speaker designs but only at the misinformation that surrounds cables.
B&W are an engineering firm who research, build and market their products using science. The laser interferometry data from their Kevlar cones is, I believe, in the public domain. The same cannot be said for businesses like Russ Andrews.
I saw an advert for an event at the NEC in Birmingham recently. It was all about Dragon Healing, which paints itself as one of the many alternatives to evidence-based healthcare. Attendees paid £15 each to attend a Dragon Healing seminar with a lass called Momoyo. From her website, I quote...
"Momoyo downloads the dragons in her own body and performs the dragon healing while in trance for her clients. Dragons have high frequencies of love that can bring instantaneous healing to people. Dragon healing is very powerful. People can experience healing by just being in the seminar room. Tears may suddenly start to flow, or physical pain may disappear."
I can't imagine there are many people here who believe that any attendees were healed of their health conditions due to dragons or their high frequencies of love. Momoyo took their money without any repeatable, verifiable evidence that she actually did anything for them. Some people would argue that she's a fraud, who preys on people's ignorance and willingness to believe in fantasy. On the other hand, if the attendees had a nice time, met other like-minded people and were distracted from their health conditions, if only momentarily, is Momoyo really doing any harm? If the law banned such people from trading, would we be creating a deeply illiberal society and restricting freedom of thought or behaviour?
I'm sure everyone can see where I'm going with this. Russ Andrews is just another Momoyo who trades within the world of audio rather than healthcare. It might pain me to see good people haemorrhage money to such businesses, but banning them altogether on the grounds that they peddle nonsense opens a huge can of worms.
And long may it continue! Although my first post was described as a nuclear bomb, possibly puncuating this entire thread, there's still so much to talk about. I'm sure that the collective membership of A2OC has a huge wealth of experience with different amps, source components, phono stages, speakers, listening environments, stone plinths, etc. There's also a vast amount of incredible music that each of us will never have heard before, so please keep it going.
Cheers,
Tom
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sciroccorrado
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Perhaps we need separate threads about music and the equipment used to listen to it?
Aluminium
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I was thinking just that last night when I posted the YouTube links.
Pinkythelabrat
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I mention having a tin ear but I feel sometimes it is a bit of a blessing. It means that I can listen to off pitch sqwaking by street buskers with nary a wince while my better half screams inside when one element of a choir isn’t quite in balance.
On the downside I can’t and don’t particularly experience much joy or emotion when listening to music and it doesn’t fill me as it does many others. I’ve a very poor range of hearing as well so miss a lot of the depth of music.
All that said, the first day I got my A2 and was driving it back from Whaley Bridge - the previous owner had left a Black Eyed Peas album in the CD player. I heard and enjoyed that music much more than I ever had before. Maybe not everyone’s taste but I enjoyed it. The difference in quality of sound was noticeable even to me.
Rock on better sound systems and better sounding music! Power to all of you!
Ps. I have a friend who recently built his own recording studio, set up a company which provides sound stages to some pretty big events and he LOVES alternative healing therapies and is a level 2 firewalker! I laughed the whole time I read your post Tom.
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On the downside I can’t and don’t particularly experience much joy or emotion when listening to music and it doesn’t fill me as it does many others. I’ve a very poor range of hearing as well so miss a lot of the depth of music.
All that said, the first day I got my A2 and was driving it back from Whaley Bridge - the previous owner had left a Black Eyed Peas album in the CD player. I heard and enjoyed that music much more than I ever had before. Maybe not everyone’s taste but I enjoyed it. The difference in quality of sound was noticeable even to me.
Rock on better sound systems and better sounding music! Power to all of you!
Ps. I have a friend who recently built his own recording studio, set up a company which provides sound stages to some pretty big events and he LOVES alternative healing therapies and is a level 2 firewalker! I laughed the whole time I read your post Tom.
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greywolfhound
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Vorsprung durch Technik
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I'm dismayed non of you have picked up on the most important statement in this thread so far.
That..........
"We are only here for a short time so we might as well have a good time! ? ?
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That..........
"We are only here for a short time so we might as well have a good time! ? ?
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Vorsprung durch Technik
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Vorsprung durch Technik
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From 82 a very talented lady not just a great singer but a master musician.
Aluminium
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Myself and a friend recorded this very talented young lady at the Nottingham Royal Concert Hall two years ago, the first time we had ever done a big project (albeit for a very small run of CDs), it was an amazing experience...
The Kanneh-Masons kids are musical prodigies, her brother Sheku played the cello at a rather lavish wedding recently.
The Kanneh-Masons kids are musical prodigies, her brother Sheku played the cello at a rather lavish wedding recently.